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I don't think it's a 1% problem, but it's a 40% problem: https://www.airlines.org/new-survey-nearly-90-percent-of-americans-have-flown-commercially/ https://ww

I don't think it's a 1% problem, but it's a 40% problem: https://www.airlines.org/new-survey-nearly-90-percent-of-americans-have-flown-commercially/ https://www.airlines.org/new-survey-nearly-90-percent-of-ame... 44% of Americans flew commercially in 2022.

dkdbejwi383 2y ago
There's a whole world outside of the USA.
- petesergeant 2y ago
  Sure, but 11% of the global population fly in a year https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378020307779 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937802...
  - dkdbejwi383 2y ago
    And how many of those are regular vs. irregular trips? Probably not enough to make the statement that flying is a situation people find themselves in regularly.
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- renewiltord 2y ago
  Yeah, but “Rest of World cannot afford luxury travel” is not a notable fact. The US is rich. Americans are rich. For many things, the US is the only market where it’s feasible. A self-driving car is useless in India (1/6 of all people), for instance. Labour costs are too low. It’s clear the Vision Pro didn’t find its market but I don’t think it’s an air travel thing.
talldayo 2y ago
80% of those people are flying economy class and already get along fine with earbuds and their phone. The remaining 20% that can afford something like Vision Pro almost certainly will choose not to.
- macintux 2y ago
  People used to get along fine with a magazine or book; that doesn't mean they weren't ready for something better.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    If those uncertain people decide they want to distract themselves with VR, do you think they'll buy the $350 headset or the $3,500 one? I just don't see the market Apple envisions materializing. I'd expect 20 people to be using a Quest in economy before you see 2 people using a Vision Pro in business.
    - PierceJoy 2y ago
      The author specifically says he believes people will be using the 4th or 5th iteration of the Vision Pro for this purpose. Why are you comparing prices of devices that won't exist for another 5+ years?
      - talldayo 2y ago
        Because you and I both know Apple will never be price-competitive with the commodity segment. They are a luxury brand that relies on luxury margins, so I want to know why their business model will succeed. If plane seating is anything to go by, most people don't want a luxury experience but a practical and cheap one instead. Most seats aren't reserved for premium passengers because they are a minority, maybe a profitable audience but not at all the primary one.
        PierceJoy 2y ago
        > Because you and I both know Apple will never be price-competitive with the commodity segment. OG iPhone: $799 iPhone 3G: $199 > They are a luxury brand that relies on luxury margins, so I want to know why their business model will succeed. Apple has shown many times over they don't need to be price competitive with the commodity segment. If you want to know why their business model will succeed, why not just look at their current business model which has been massively successful? Arguably the most successful business model in the history of consumer hardware.
ponector 2y ago
>The most recent such poll was conducted online between January 9-31, 2023, in which Ipsos interviewed roughly 11,000 adults age 18+ from the continental U.S., Alaska, and Hawaii. Same poll can result with statement "100% of Americans use internet."
- stnmtn 2y ago
  Well, about 94% of the American population use the internet so it's a good base by which to conduct reliable surveys.
- ghaff 2y ago
  And a lot of those probably flew once to visit family at the holidays.

dkdbejwi383 2y ago

There's a whole world outside of the USA.

petesergeant 2y ago
Sure, but 11% of the global population fly in a year https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378020307779 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937802...
- dkdbejwi383 2y ago
  And how many of those are regular vs. irregular trips? Probably not enough to make the statement that flying is a situation people find themselves in regularly.
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renewiltord 2y ago
Yeah, but “Rest of World cannot afford luxury travel” is not a notable fact. The US is rich. Americans are rich. For many things, the US is the only market where it’s feasible. A self-driving car is useless in India (1/6 of all people), for instance. Labour costs are too low. It’s clear the Vision Pro didn’t find its market but I don’t think it’s an air travel thing.

talldayo 2y ago

80% of those people are flying economy class and already get along fine with earbuds and their phone. The remaining 20% that can afford something like Vision Pro almost certainly will choose not to.

macintux 2y ago
People used to get along fine with a magazine or book; that doesn't mean they weren't ready for something better.
- talldayo 2y ago
  If those uncertain people decide they want to distract themselves with VR, do you think they'll buy the $350 headset or the $3,500 one? I just don't see the market Apple envisions materializing. I'd expect 20 people to be using a Quest in economy before you see 2 people using a Vision Pro in business.
  - PierceJoy 2y ago
    The author specifically says he believes people will be using the 4th or 5th iteration of the Vision Pro for this purpose. Why are you comparing prices of devices that won't exist for another 5+ years?
    - talldayo 2y ago
      Because you and I both know Apple will never be price-competitive with the commodity segment. They are a luxury brand that relies on luxury margins, so I want to know why their business model will succeed. If plane seating is anything to go by, most people don't want a luxury experience but a practical and cheap one instead. Most seats aren't reserved for premium passengers because they are a minority, maybe a profitable audience but not at all the primary one.
      - PierceJoy 2y ago
        > Because you and I both know Apple will never be price-competitive with the commodity segment. OG iPhone: $799 iPhone 3G: $199 > They are a luxury brand that relies on luxury margins, so I want to know why their business model will succeed. Apple has shown many times over they don't need to be price competitive with the commodity segment. If you want to know why their business model will succeed, why not just look at their current business model which has been massively successful? Arguably the most successful business model in the history of consumer hardware.

ponector 2y ago

>The most recent such poll was conducted online between January 9-31, 2023, in which Ipsos interviewed roughly 11,000 adults age 18+ from the continental U.S., Alaska, and Hawaii. Same poll can result with statement "100% of Americans use internet."

stnmtn 2y ago
Well, about 94% of the American population use the internet so it's a good base by which to conduct reliable surveys.
ghaff 2y ago
And a lot of those probably flew once to visit family at the holidays.