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When the internet archive censors a website is it deleted permanently or just not publicly available?

by throwaway48476 2y ago

chirau 2y ago
I don't think they censor anything, strictly archiving. Do you know of any instance in which they censored a site?
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  http://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/twitter.com/taylorlorenz http://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/twitter.com/taylo... For one. I'm just curious what their policy is.
  - lukas099 2y ago
    I only know what I just read on wikipedia about her, but it seems like she has been heavily doxxed — I'm guessing she requested this information about herself be excluded? If so, I'm not sure I'd classify that as censorship.
    - throwaway48476 2y ago
      It's her own tweets, not dox.
      - lukas099 2y ago
        Not dox but I was thinking there could be old materials in there that people were using to dox her. Idk, why else would they remove it?
        deleted 2y ago
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  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    The law trumps their policy, to be blunt. They can't afford legal disputes so complying is the best thing they can do. They're still involved in legal shit for "giving away" ebooks too easily during the pandemic.
- edgineer 2y ago
  Kiwi farms
  - mcpar-land 2y ago
    good
    - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
      An argument can be made that they should retain a copy for future lawsuits / investigations, but... kiwi farms won't have anything public, and I hope that law enforcement has their private archive where they gather everything.
  - nikisweeting 2y ago
    There are people that maintain "non-public archives" of stuff like that for litigation, long-term archival storage (think sealed boxes intended for future generations of historians. (Libraries, laywers, journalists can run their own WebRecorder, Perma.cc, ArchiveBox, etc. instances) I think that's a reasonable middle ground, we don't necessarily need every single piece of heinous content mirrored for free access 24/7 the moment it appears anywhere on the internet, as long as there is some historic record somewhere that's probably ok.
    - deleted 2y ago
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  - DrillShopper 2y ago
    Nah, we don't need to archive their targeted harassment.
- tossit444 2y ago
  https://archive.fo/p8DmQ https://archive.fo/p8DmQ
- teddyh 2y ago
  I take it you’ve never encountered the dreaded message, “The item is not available due to issues with the item's content”? There was a news item here on HN about something available on the Internet Archive: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16725526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16725526> This is now gone from IA. Old page with links to IA which are no longer working: <https://web.archive.org/web/20180331224513/http://profileengine.com/groups/profile/433187197/fek-duan https://web.archive.org/web/20180331224513/http://profileeng...>
dark-star 2y ago
They black out all items that get a DMCA complaint or similar request (so it's still there just not accessible). However they permanently delete illegal stuff.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  I would assume they delete illegal stuff as they are compelled to. What I'd like to know is their policy for legal stuff that they exclude that is not as a result of DMCA.
  - tiagod 2y ago
    Can you give an example? EDIT: Just seen your other reply. Perhaps it was excluded due to right to forget laws?
    - throwaway48476 2y ago
      If you ask them they will remove sites that you created. It's not under right to forget laws as they don't exist in the US. What I'd like to know is whether they also delete the data or just make it inaccessible.
    - BlackLotus89 2y ago
      ploetzblog was available and is now completly gone :( "lost" some recipes that he didn't migrate that I used to bake all the time. Used to look it up on the IA and was pissed when it was deleted
- yard2010 2y ago
  Honestly we are so lucky to have something like this. Solving this problem in a decentralized manner is so hard, and when a centralized solution has its drawbacks, when done properly (i.e. not for making money but serving greater values) is invaluable. A gift.

When the internet archive censors a website is it deleted permanently or just not publicly available?

chirau 2y ago

I don't think they censor anything, strictly archiving. Do you know of any instance in which they censored a site?

throwaway48476 2y ago
http://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/twitter.com/taylorlorenz http://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/twitter.com/taylo... For one. I'm just curious what their policy is.
- lukas099 2y ago
  I only know what I just read on wikipedia about her, but it seems like she has been heavily doxxed — I'm guessing she requested this information about herself be excluded? If so, I'm not sure I'd classify that as censorship.
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    It's her own tweets, not dox.
    - lukas099 2y ago
      Not dox but I was thinking there could be old materials in there that people were using to dox her. Idk, why else would they remove it?
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  The law trumps their policy, to be blunt. They can't afford legal disputes so complying is the best thing they can do. They're still involved in legal shit for "giving away" ebooks too easily during the pandemic.
edgineer 2y ago
Kiwi farms
- mcpar-land 2y ago
  good
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    An argument can be made that they should retain a copy for future lawsuits / investigations, but... kiwi farms won't have anything public, and I hope that law enforcement has their private archive where they gather everything.
- nikisweeting 2y ago
  There are people that maintain "non-public archives" of stuff like that for litigation, long-term archival storage (think sealed boxes intended for future generations of historians. (Libraries, laywers, journalists can run their own WebRecorder, Perma.cc, ArchiveBox, etc. instances) I think that's a reasonable middle ground, we don't necessarily need every single piece of heinous content mirrored for free access 24/7 the moment it appears anywhere on the internet, as long as there is some historic record somewhere that's probably ok.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- DrillShopper 2y ago
  Nah, we don't need to archive their targeted harassment.
tossit444 2y ago
https://archive.fo/p8DmQ https://archive.fo/p8DmQ
teddyh 2y ago
I take it you’ve never encountered the dreaded message, “The item is not available due to issues with the item's content”? There was a news item here on HN about something available on the Internet Archive: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16725526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16725526> This is now gone from IA. Old page with links to IA which are no longer working: <https://web.archive.org/web/20180331224513/http://profileengine.com/groups/profile/433187197/fek-duan https://web.archive.org/web/20180331224513/http://profileeng...>

dark-star 2y ago

They black out all items that get a DMCA complaint or similar request (so it's still there just not accessible). However they permanently delete illegal stuff.

throwaway48476 2y ago
I would assume they delete illegal stuff as they are compelled to. What I'd like to know is their policy for legal stuff that they exclude that is not as a result of DMCA.
- tiagod 2y ago
  Can you give an example? EDIT: Just seen your other reply. Perhaps it was excluded due to right to forget laws?
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    If you ask them they will remove sites that you created. It's not under right to forget laws as they don't exist in the US. What I'd like to know is whether they also delete the data or just make it inaccessible.
  - BlackLotus89 2y ago
    ploetzblog was available and is now completly gone :( "lost" some recipes that he didn't migrate that I used to bake all the time. Used to look it up on the IA and was pissed when it was deleted
yard2010 2y ago
Honestly we are so lucky to have something like this. Solving this problem in a decentralized manner is so hard, and when a centralized solution has its drawbacks, when done properly (i.e. not for making money but serving greater values) is invaluable. A gift.