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> That's a good one, vote for the guy who's against EVs and thinks climate change is a hoax. The thing is, I agree with you, but I don't think that's actually

> That's a good one, vote for the guy who's against EVs and thinks climate change is a hoax. The thing is, I agree with you, but I don't think that's actually that convincing an argument. Trump isn't going to personally reverse the ongoing exit from fossil fuels. Green energy might go faster or slower, but that doesn't necessarily matter in terms of preventing very bad outcomes. I think the high-concept paths to mitigation are a lot easier to delay than the "business as usual" eco trend.

worstspotgain 2y ago
> Trump isn't going to personally reverse the ongoing exit from fossil fuels. No, he actually would [1][2][3][4]. And that's without even counting Putin. When they tell you who they are, believe them. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-paris-climate-treaty-withdrawal-again-00165903 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-paris-climate... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/uaw-chief-slams-trump-over-threat-revoke-ev-investments-2024-10-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/uaw-chief-slams-trump-over-... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2024-07-19/trump-pledges-to-end-the-green-new-scam-video https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2024-07-19/trump-pledg... [4] https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-recent-interactions-saudis-crown-prince-matter-rcna146395 https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-r...
- FeepingCreature 2y ago
  I think the primary trend isn't based on the agreement but on the economic reality that solar panels are cheap and still getting cheaper. You can speed it up or slow it down, but it's not reversible at this point. You might have four years of slowboating, but that only matters if we're on the edge of disaster. If we're already committed to disaster, to the extent that we need radical interventions to plausibly achieve success, whether you slowboat the trend doesn't matter.
  - worstspotgain 2y ago
    You continue to claim that not voting or that voting for Hannibal Lecter is OK in that it's really some sort of a moonshot. After all you agree with me, right? You do realize of course that if someone just wanted to get Hannibal Lecter elected, they would be making claims like these to suppress his opponent's vote?
    - FeepingCreature 2y ago
      I think there's a positive argument for voting for Hannibal Lecter. I don't think there's ever a non-lazy argument for not voting. Either one candidate is better or the other. Make up your mind and do your duty. And yeah, sure. I'm not sure why that's relevant though. The argument either holds or it doesn't.
      - worstspotgain 2y ago
        Of course it doesn't. The point is whether it's enough to sway any voters anyway. To keep them from helping the planet by preventing the biggest preventable catastrophe this century, in a couple of weeks.
        FeepingCreature 2y ago
        Or otherwise to damn humanity to millions of deaths that would have been preventable.

worstspotgain 2y ago

> Trump isn't going to personally reverse the ongoing exit from fossil fuels. No, he actually would [1][2][3][4]. And that's without even counting Putin. When they tell you who they are, believe them. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-paris-climate-treaty-withdrawal-again-00165903 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-paris-climate... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/uaw-chief-slams-trump-over-threat-revoke-ev-investments-2024-10-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/uaw-chief-slams-trump-over-... [3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2024-07-19/trump-pledges-to-end-the-green-new-scam-video https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2024-07-19/trump-pledg... [4] https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-recent-interactions-saudis-crown-prince-matter-rcna146395 https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-r...

FeepingCreature 2y ago
I think the primary trend isn't based on the agreement but on the economic reality that solar panels are cheap and still getting cheaper. You can speed it up or slow it down, but it's not reversible at this point. You might have four years of slowboating, but that only matters if we're on the edge of disaster. If we're already committed to disaster, to the extent that we need radical interventions to plausibly achieve success, whether you slowboat the trend doesn't matter.
- worstspotgain 2y ago
  You continue to claim that not voting or that voting for Hannibal Lecter is OK in that it's really some sort of a moonshot. After all you agree with me, right? You do realize of course that if someone just wanted to get Hannibal Lecter elected, they would be making claims like these to suppress his opponent's vote?
  - FeepingCreature 2y ago
    I think there's a positive argument for voting for Hannibal Lecter. I don't think there's ever a non-lazy argument for not voting. Either one candidate is better or the other. Make up your mind and do your duty. And yeah, sure. I'm not sure why that's relevant though. The argument either holds or it doesn't.
    - worstspotgain 2y ago
      Of course it doesn't. The point is whether it's enough to sway any voters anyway. To keep them from helping the planet by preventing the biggest preventable catastrophe this century, in a couple of weeks.
      - FeepingCreature 2y ago
        Or otherwise to damn humanity to millions of deaths that would have been preventable.