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They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Saf

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet altruistic, self-interests happening to coincidentally collude in similar, yet distinctly more complicated cases of creating monopolies spanning multiple domains. The internet was captured, gamified, commoditized, and vertically integrated into a handful of giga-Corps. your mobile devices are essentially tracking devices you are addicted to, and the government is too interested in these shiny grandiose things and their use in facilitating government functions without any real consequence, they fail to see the systematic risks that they themselves have allowed to proliferate by not enforcing stricter laws for systematically - exploitable intersections of law, technology, and business.

lukan 2y ago
"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?
- phoe-krk 2y ago
  The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.
  - eru 2y ago
    Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.
    - phoe-krk 2y ago
      Governments are adopting the international outreach of megacorps. Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments. I see no contradiction here.
      - eru 2y ago
        > Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments. Any sources for that? From all the studies (and anecdotes) I've seen, MNCs are vastly more competent that most local companies, and the latter are also _usually_ still more competent than government.
        phoe-krk 2y ago
        The post I replied to said: > By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. I just agreed with them. Adopring the level of competence of governments, when governments are not competent, doesn't imply an upward movement.
    - lccerina 2y ago
      "MNC don't force you to pay taxes", well 30% fee on products bought, sorry "licensed", on their app stores seem like a tax to me
      - fl0id 2y ago
        this. also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison. Only you don't even get a public service for it, however bad it might be. For taxes, at least some of them are used for public services.
        lupusreal 2y ago
        The less local the government, the less likely I am to see any material benifit from the taxes I pay. Local and state taxes fund roads and other infrastructure, public schools, social programs, etc. Federal taxes fund military adventurism, pure corrupt waste like SLS and worst of all ""aid"" for shitty foreign countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel so they can wage wars on their neighbors, for which America's international reputation suffers greatly.
- Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
  >"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Apple has no incentive to improve Safari. "It just works" is what their cultists paid to have the honor to parrot, and they enjoy the majority of web market share of people with actual wages and disposable income. That's why the sell culture, not their people's data (directly, yet). Since it's not "Safari" that's broken (since iPhones cost a lot of money, they cant break), the users will lie blame at the fault of the web developers, since they had gotten cozy within the comfortable, flexible, expected behaviors of Chrome, having enjoyed a hiatus from IE11 EOL pollyfills and jquery. Apple then made it easier to roll out an app than to grapple with the pitfalls, nuances, foot-guns, and gabbling documentation that Safari has carefully mal-compiled to shepherd both developers and their users into the Walled Garden. It's just the browser wars, but with higher stakes. And Microsoft already won.
  - acdha 2y ago
    If you’re referring to people as “cultists”, consider that your point might not be as strong as you think. If you have a non-emotional argument about a browser, try making it with logic and data rather than emotion. For example, demonstrate awareness of where the browsers rank on the features which web developers really need (Google’s devrel team likes to highlight PWA features almost nobody uses even on Chrome) and show why the “walled garden” metaphor applies more to a niche browser than the dominant one by a large margin.
    - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
      good points. They are both using the innate incompatibilities between browsers to further entrench their mobile device market share positions. Safari is (unanimously) shit - even without Google's PWA's moot gloating. Apple disallows browsers other than Safari, and have deprecated Windows/Android versions. >how why the “walled garden” metaphor applies more to a niche browser than the dominant one (social)-cultism, signaling of wealth, hostile towards outsiders...
- peoplefromibiza 2y ago
  > Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead what kind of answer is that exactly? I would much prefer they fix the issue, yes, the stuff I'm using is provided by Apple and it's been paid off in full, I don't know what made people believe that it's ok if software sucks... If a train company causes an accident they are considered liable if a software company leaks my data they should be considered liable, it's as simple as that, no need for this anti government stands that frankly make adults look like angry teenagers with a bad bladder
  - lukan 2y ago
    The complaint was the governemnt does nothing, because they lack a clear solution, to the non trivial problem of todays megacorps and their Power since they control our gadgets. Do you happen to have a concrete solution?
    - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
      > Do you happen to have a concrete solution? Don't buy Apple products? at least until they clear their act...
- Propelloni 2y ago
  > Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead? No, I would like a competent government intervention. Those happen, even if some would rather believe otherwise.
  - lukan 2y ago
    How would that look like, in this concrete example of add controlled smartphones?
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gruez 2y ago
>They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. Having short startup times is bad now? ...because of "instant gratification"? The rest of your rant might make sense in the broader context of what big tech is doing, but bringing it up in this thread and implying that it's part of a conspiracy where "The internet was captured, gamified, commoditized, and vertically integrated into a handful of giga-Corps" is unhinged.
fsflover 2y ago
> your mobile devices are essentially tracking devices you are addicted to Speak for yourself. Sent from my Librem 5.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  Sent from my Nokia 3310
  - fsflover 2y ago
    Is this some kind of joke?

lukan 2y ago

"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

phoe-krk 2y ago
The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.
- eru 2y ago
  Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.
  - phoe-krk 2y ago
    Governments are adopting the international outreach of megacorps. Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments. I see no contradiction here.
    - eru 2y ago
      > Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments. Any sources for that? From all the studies (and anecdotes) I've seen, MNCs are vastly more competent that most local companies, and the latter are also _usually_ still more competent than government.
      - phoe-krk 2y ago
        The post I replied to said: > By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. I just agreed with them. Adopring the level of competence of governments, when governments are not competent, doesn't imply an upward movement.
  - lccerina 2y ago
    "MNC don't force you to pay taxes", well 30% fee on products bought, sorry "licensed", on their app stores seem like a tax to me
    - fl0id 2y ago
      this. also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison. Only you don't even get a public service for it, however bad it might be. For taxes, at least some of them are used for public services.
      - lupusreal 2y ago
        The less local the government, the less likely I am to see any material benifit from the taxes I pay. Local and state taxes fund roads and other infrastructure, public schools, social programs, etc. Federal taxes fund military adventurism, pure corrupt waste like SLS and worst of all ""aid"" for shitty foreign countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel so they can wage wars on their neighbors, for which America's international reputation suffers greatly.
Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
>"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Apple has no incentive to improve Safari. "It just works" is what their cultists paid to have the honor to parrot, and they enjoy the majority of web market share of people with actual wages and disposable income. That's why the sell culture, not their people's data (directly, yet). Since it's not "Safari" that's broken (since iPhones cost a lot of money, they cant break), the users will lie blame at the fault of the web developers, since they had gotten cozy within the comfortable, flexible, expected behaviors of Chrome, having enjoyed a hiatus from IE11 EOL pollyfills and jquery. Apple then made it easier to roll out an app than to grapple with the pitfalls, nuances, foot-guns, and gabbling documentation that Safari has carefully mal-compiled to shepherd both developers and their users into the Walled Garden. It's just the browser wars, but with higher stakes. And Microsoft already won.
- acdha 2y ago
  If you’re referring to people as “cultists”, consider that your point might not be as strong as you think. If you have a non-emotional argument about a browser, try making it with logic and data rather than emotion. For example, demonstrate awareness of where the browsers rank on the features which web developers really need (Google’s devrel team likes to highlight PWA features almost nobody uses even on Chrome) and show why the “walled garden” metaphor applies more to a niche browser than the dominant one by a large margin.
  - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
    good points. They are both using the innate incompatibilities between browsers to further entrench their mobile device market share positions. Safari is (unanimously) shit - even without Google's PWA's moot gloating. Apple disallows browsers other than Safari, and have deprecated Windows/Android versions. >how why the “walled garden” metaphor applies more to a niche browser than the dominant one (social)-cultism, signaling of wealth, hostile towards outsiders...
peoplefromibiza 2y ago
> Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead what kind of answer is that exactly? I would much prefer they fix the issue, yes, the stuff I'm using is provided by Apple and it's been paid off in full, I don't know what made people believe that it's ok if software sucks... If a train company causes an accident they are considered liable if a software company leaks my data they should be considered liable, it's as simple as that, no need for this anti government stands that frankly make adults look like angry teenagers with a bad bladder
- lukan 2y ago
  The complaint was the governemnt does nothing, because they lack a clear solution, to the non trivial problem of todays megacorps and their Power since they control our gadgets. Do you happen to have a concrete solution?
  - peoplefromibiza 2y ago
    > Do you happen to have a concrete solution? Don't buy Apple products? at least until they clear their act...
Propelloni 2y ago
> Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead? No, I would like a competent government intervention. Those happen, even if some would rather believe otherwise.
- lukan 2y ago
  How would that look like, in this concrete example of add controlled smartphones?

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gruez 2y ago

>They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. Having short startup times is bad now? ...because of "instant gratification"? The rest of your rant might make sense in the broader context of what big tech is doing, but bringing it up in this thread and implying that it's part of a conspiracy where "The internet was captured, gamified, commoditized, and vertically integrated into a handful of giga-Corps" is unhinged.

fsflover 2y ago

> your mobile devices are essentially tracking devices you are addicted to Speak for yourself. Sent from my Librem 5.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
Sent from my Nokia 3310
- fsflover 2y ago
  Is this some kind of joke?