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In the Netherlands? If its bolted on, it won't even last a year. The North Sea has a lot of storms ;)

by malermeister 2y ago

dumbo-octopus 2y ago
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- kuschku 2y ago
  Northwestern Europe usually gets a storm at hurricane level 2 every one or two years and several at level 1 per season. There's a reason the name for these storms – Orkan – is derived from hurricane. For comparison, that's similar or slightly higher in strength than hurricane Sandy when it hit the northeast of the US. That's why if you have fixed awnings in this region of europe, they're usually removed as soon as fall hits (which compromises on the fixed part) or made of metal (which compromises on the "awning" part IMO).
  - philwelch 2y ago
    What scale are you using for “hurricane level”? In the US, I’m familiar with the Saffir-Simpson scale, where a “major” hurricane is defined as Category 3 and above (the scale goes up to 5). Hurricane Sandy was a mere Category 1 on that scale by the time it hit the US. To be fair, I don’t think fixed metal awnings are fashionable in Florida for similar reasons.
    - kuschku 2y ago
      I was indeed using the Saffir-Simpson scale. Regarding "major", that's a bit more complicated. While US hurricanes usually are very strong when they form, by the time they hit landfall they've usually lost a lot of energy. Katrina was a category 3 when it hit the US. As was the most recent storm, Milton. While European windstorms are less strong, they usually hit around their peak. A typical Orkan has around 160-190km/h sustained wind speeds at landfall, which would be comparable to a Category 2 or 3 hurricane. I'm not trying to put them on the same level as e.g. Helene, but they're certainly strong enough that fixed awnings aren't exactly a good idea.
      - philwelch 2y ago
        > I'm not trying to put them on the same level as e.g. Helene, but they're certainly strong enough that fixed awnings aren't exactly a good idea. Agreed on that!
- malermeister 2y ago
  I'm sure they can. But at that point you're looking at expenses higher than just making the damn thing retractable, and with worse functionality.
fhars 2y ago
And who would even want a fixed structure that keeps out the little bit of winter sun there is?

In the Netherlands? If its bolted on, it won't even last a year. The North Sea has a lot of storms ;)

dumbo-octopus 2y ago

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kuschku 2y ago
Northwestern Europe usually gets a storm at hurricane level 2 every one or two years and several at level 1 per season. There's a reason the name for these storms – Orkan – is derived from hurricane. For comparison, that's similar or slightly higher in strength than hurricane Sandy when it hit the northeast of the US. That's why if you have fixed awnings in this region of europe, they're usually removed as soon as fall hits (which compromises on the fixed part) or made of metal (which compromises on the "awning" part IMO).
- philwelch 2y ago
  What scale are you using for “hurricane level”? In the US, I’m familiar with the Saffir-Simpson scale, where a “major” hurricane is defined as Category 3 and above (the scale goes up to 5). Hurricane Sandy was a mere Category 1 on that scale by the time it hit the US. To be fair, I don’t think fixed metal awnings are fashionable in Florida for similar reasons.
  - kuschku 2y ago
    I was indeed using the Saffir-Simpson scale. Regarding "major", that's a bit more complicated. While US hurricanes usually are very strong when they form, by the time they hit landfall they've usually lost a lot of energy. Katrina was a category 3 when it hit the US. As was the most recent storm, Milton. While European windstorms are less strong, they usually hit around their peak. A typical Orkan has around 160-190km/h sustained wind speeds at landfall, which would be comparable to a Category 2 or 3 hurricane. I'm not trying to put them on the same level as e.g. Helene, but they're certainly strong enough that fixed awnings aren't exactly a good idea.
    - philwelch 2y ago
      > I'm not trying to put them on the same level as e.g. Helene, but they're certainly strong enough that fixed awnings aren't exactly a good idea. Agreed on that!
malermeister 2y ago
I'm sure they can. But at that point you're looking at expenses higher than just making the damn thing retractable, and with worse functionality.

fhars 2y ago

And who would even want a fixed structure that keeps out the little bit of winter sun there is?