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Will we have video with sensor signature for evidence purposes? One high court in India rejected any video evidence as a potential deepfake.

prmoustache 2y ago
> One high court in India rejected any video evidence as a potential deepfake. Well I would have expected any court would have stopped accepting audio and video as evidence by now.
- agos 2y ago
  that would be a lot of baby throwing along the bathwater
  - ballenf 2y ago
    Similar to how hearsay evidence is thrown out, despite it potentially having substantial value. Court is exactly the place you want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  All I know is that I personally have stopped giving audio and video any benefit of the doubt. I think it's risky to accept any recording as representative of truth unless you or someone you trust was there at the time of the recording to vouch for its correctness.
aspenmayer 2y ago
There are emerging standards for this. https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/15/24271083/youtube-c2pa-captured-camera-label-content-credentials https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/15/24271083/youtube-c2pa-ca...
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  So one could upload the original footage directly to YouTube to get the authenticity label and put it on private then proceed with the usual edits and provide the link to the private video as prove that it’s real.
  - aspenmayer 2y ago
    Presumably that would break the chain of custody metadata, or would leave provenance breadcrumbs leading back to the original unedited video? https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/15446725?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/15446725?hl=en > Limitations > “Captured with a camera” only appears if a creator opts to use C2PA technology during filming. If it’s missing, it doesn’t mean the content has modified audio or visuals. > Note: This feature is separate from our existing altered and synthetic disclosures. > The metadata that leads to a “Captured with a camera” disclosure is made by a 3rd party (for example, a camera manufacturer). This means there is some risk that someone could take a photo of another screen showing synthetic content. Because the other screen shows an image that has been modified, it wouldn’t be eligible for the “Captured with a camera” disclosure. This issue is called “air-gapping.” Camera manufacturers will continue to develop detection measures to prevent “air-gapping,” but the sophistication of those detection measures may vary in the near term. https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gen-ai-content-transparency-c2pa/ https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gen-ai-content-tran...

prmoustache 2y ago

> One high court in India rejected any video evidence as a potential deepfake. Well I would have expected any court would have stopped accepting audio and video as evidence by now.

agos 2y ago
that would be a lot of baby throwing along the bathwater
- ballenf 2y ago
  Similar to how hearsay evidence is thrown out, despite it potentially having substantial value. Court is exactly the place you want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
JohnFen 2y ago
All I know is that I personally have stopped giving audio and video any benefit of the doubt. I think it's risky to accept any recording as representative of truth unless you or someone you trust was there at the time of the recording to vouch for its correctness.

aspenmayer 2y ago

There are emerging standards for this. https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/15/24271083/youtube-c2pa-captured-camera-label-content-credentials https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/15/24271083/youtube-c2pa-ca...

sharpshadow 2y ago
So one could upload the original footage directly to YouTube to get the authenticity label and put it on private then proceed with the usual edits and provide the link to the private video as prove that it’s real.
- aspenmayer 2y ago
  Presumably that would break the chain of custody metadata, or would leave provenance breadcrumbs leading back to the original unedited video? https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/15446725?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/15446725?hl=en > Limitations > “Captured with a camera” only appears if a creator opts to use C2PA technology during filming. If it’s missing, it doesn’t mean the content has modified audio or visuals. > Note: This feature is separate from our existing altered and synthetic disclosures. > The metadata that leads to a “Captured with a camera” disclosure is made by a 3rd party (for example, a camera manufacturer). This means there is some risk that someone could take a photo of another screen showing synthetic content. Because the other screen shows an image that has been modified, it wouldn’t be eligible for the “Captured with a camera” disclosure. This issue is called “air-gapping.” Camera manufacturers will continue to develop detection measures to prevent “air-gapping,” but the sophistication of those detection measures may vary in the near term. https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gen-ai-content-transparency-c2pa/ https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gen-ai-content-tran...