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Between Wordpress's bullshit and capitalist bullshit like Google doing things like this, I'm honestly just in utter shock at what the internet actually _is_ now

Between Wordpress's bullshit and capitalist bullshit like Google doing things like this, I'm honestly just in utter shock at what the internet actually _is_ now adays. What a dystopia.

fhdsgbbcaA 2y ago
Don’t give up, fight’s not nearly over.
michaelnny 2y ago
An honest question, what’s the news on Wordpress episode? Didn’t follow the topic
jart 2y ago
Folks, Google just saved Mozilla. For nearly two decades, Google dumped limitless resources into Chrome and gave it all away to gain maximal adoption. That would be considered anti-competitive behavior in any other context. By acting more competitively, Google is giving the competition an opportunity to finally compete. Firefox was so close to hitting that red line in terms of market share. Now Firefox is going to not only survive, but thrive, and so will other newer browsers like Brave and Ladybird too.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  How exactly do you think Mozilla is going to get funding to continue Firefox development with Google now unable to pay them billions to keep Google Search the #1 default? This Google breakup is only going to destroy Mozilla entirely. Brave will survive as long as it can piggyback on Chrome development, and by getting bribed/paid by advertisers to have their ads shown instead of blocked. Ladybird can survive because it's all-volunteer, but it's not even close to being a viable browser for regular use, and with the limited development resources it has, it's questionable it will ever be really usable for general users. The real winners of this "antitrust" action will be Microsoft (who can then dedicate more resources to Edge and make that the new IE6.0) and Apple. There will only be two browsers you can use in the future: Edge (Windows-only) and Safari (Mac/iOS-only). Other browsers will wither and die since you won't be able to use them for your internet banking and various other tasks. You'll just get a message like we did back in 2002, saying "this browser not supported, please install Microsoft Edge or Apple Safari to continue".
  - eesmith 2y ago
    Have they even tried getting funding via national digital sovereignty efforts? The justification seems easy - "fund us so your citizens don't need to depend on foreign ad companies and US-based tracking to access local and national services." Make sure any parts which are dependent on Mozilla infrastructure can be re-hosted by other providers. Have releases which are fully free software, with reproducible builds, which can be audited to ensure privacy protections. And commit to legal agreements to preserve those protections. The countries in turn can require that services in those countries must support Firefox, or perhaps specifically ESR versions of Firefox.
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
      That sounds great in theory, but I'm extremely skeptical of it working in reality. Do we have any good examples of governments backing significant open-source projects like this, and even worse, in a manner collaborating with other governments? Basically you're asking for the EU to become the main funding source of Mozilla, because it's hard to envision anyone else joining this effort.
      - eesmith 2y ago
        I know the German Sovereign Tech Fund is funding some FreeBSD development. I know Schleswig-Holstein is moving to LibreOffice and believe some of that includes funding. That I don't know of more is besides the point, which is have they tried?
        shiroiushi 2y ago
        >That I don't know of more is besides the point, which is have they tried? They haven't lost their funding from Google yet, and the case ruling was only what? a week ago? Did you expect them to see into the future and predict this turn of events or something? I imagine they're very busy talking about this stuff right now, but 6 months ago they probably weren't too worried about suddenly losing their Google funding because of government action.
valunord 2y ago
This is not capitalist. Google has itself said it's a communist org. Even commies and socialists like to make money.

Between Wordpress's bullshit and capitalist bullshit like Google doing things like this, I'm honestly just in utter shock at what the internet actually _is_ now adays. What a dystopia.

fhdsgbbcaA 2y ago

Don’t give up, fight’s not nearly over.

michaelnny 2y ago

An honest question, what’s the news on Wordpress episode? Didn’t follow the topic

jart 2y ago

Folks, Google just saved Mozilla. For nearly two decades, Google dumped limitless resources into Chrome and gave it all away to gain maximal adoption. That would be considered anti-competitive behavior in any other context. By acting more competitively, Google is giving the competition an opportunity to finally compete. Firefox was so close to hitting that red line in terms of market share. Now Firefox is going to not only survive, but thrive, and so will other newer browsers like Brave and Ladybird too.

shiroiushi 2y ago
How exactly do you think Mozilla is going to get funding to continue Firefox development with Google now unable to pay them billions to keep Google Search the #1 default? This Google breakup is only going to destroy Mozilla entirely. Brave will survive as long as it can piggyback on Chrome development, and by getting bribed/paid by advertisers to have their ads shown instead of blocked. Ladybird can survive because it's all-volunteer, but it's not even close to being a viable browser for regular use, and with the limited development resources it has, it's questionable it will ever be really usable for general users. The real winners of this "antitrust" action will be Microsoft (who can then dedicate more resources to Edge and make that the new IE6.0) and Apple. There will only be two browsers you can use in the future: Edge (Windows-only) and Safari (Mac/iOS-only). Other browsers will wither and die since you won't be able to use them for your internet banking and various other tasks. You'll just get a message like we did back in 2002, saying "this browser not supported, please install Microsoft Edge or Apple Safari to continue".
- eesmith 2y ago
  Have they even tried getting funding via national digital sovereignty efforts? The justification seems easy - "fund us so your citizens don't need to depend on foreign ad companies and US-based tracking to access local and national services." Make sure any parts which are dependent on Mozilla infrastructure can be re-hosted by other providers. Have releases which are fully free software, with reproducible builds, which can be audited to ensure privacy protections. And commit to legal agreements to preserve those protections. The countries in turn can require that services in those countries must support Firefox, or perhaps specifically ESR versions of Firefox.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    That sounds great in theory, but I'm extremely skeptical of it working in reality. Do we have any good examples of governments backing significant open-source projects like this, and even worse, in a manner collaborating with other governments? Basically you're asking for the EU to become the main funding source of Mozilla, because it's hard to envision anyone else joining this effort.
    - eesmith 2y ago
      I know the German Sovereign Tech Fund is funding some FreeBSD development. I know Schleswig-Holstein is moving to LibreOffice and believe some of that includes funding. That I don't know of more is besides the point, which is have they tried?
      - shiroiushi 2y ago
        >That I don't know of more is besides the point, which is have they tried? They haven't lost their funding from Google yet, and the case ruling was only what? a week ago? Did you expect them to see into the future and predict this turn of events or something? I imagine they're very busy talking about this stuff right now, but 6 months ago they probably weren't too worried about suddenly losing their Google funding because of government action.

valunord 2y ago

This is not capitalist. Google has itself said it's a communist org. Even commies and socialists like to make money.