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Always when I read this I think they are comparing too very different societies where healthcare is just one factor. Americans are so much less healthy than Aus

by rr808 2y ago

Always when I read this I think they are comparing too very different societies where healthcare is just one factor. Americans are so much less healthy than Australians due to lack of exercise, poor diets, stress, no holidays, guns and crime. Its a miracle that if the US health is nearly as good as Australians it shows how great the US healthcare system really is.

defrost 2y ago
Part of the Australian national, state, and local health care system is policy to encourage healthy life styles and to discourage, limit, or ban food additives, tobacco, etc. Back in the 1970s the AU Government was running campaigns such as Life. Be In It: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjEge3Awl8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjEge3Awl8 (many short segments airing with commercials on TV). Planning requirements typically require open spaces, walking paths, sporting facilities, etc. A "healthcare system" needs to be more than simply "immediate care for the injured, sick, and|or dying".
- analog31 2y ago
  Unfortunately, obesity rates are rising worldwide, including in Australia.
  - Narkov 2y ago
    > Ozempic has entered the chat.
    - atq2119 2y ago
      This honestly feels like the kind of thing where 20 years from now we'll be more aware of the side effects and people will shake heads about how stupid "we" were today. If this is going to be an exception, it'd be truly interesting.
      - gquere 2y ago
        There are already a bunch of studies showing that the ozempic causes massive muscle loss and lessens bone density. And before anyone remarks "just do resistance training", I doubt the people that take the easy solution will do it in conjunction.
        Aerroon 2y ago
        Do they cause it in excess of normal weight loss in the same time period? I'm asking because regular weight loss that's quick will have both of these effects too.
        apwell23 2y ago
        > Do they cause it in excess of normal weight loss in the same time period? I think you mean diet and exercise when you say 'normal'. Its not possible to have that much 'normal weight loss' in the 'same period'.
        Aerroon 2y ago
        Correct me if I'm wrong but Ozempic doesn't cause you to lose weight, instead it controls your appetite. It's not something like DNP, right? 'Normal weight loss' here refers to eating the same amount of calories without taking Ozempic. You should lose weight at the same speed as with Ozempic, because it's the calories that matter when it comes to fat loss.
        inglor_cz 2y ago
        Weight loss always comes with some muscle loss and bone density loss, because the structure now supports less weight than before, and our bodies dislike to maintain muscle apparatus beyond what is necessary. Unless Ozempic causes significantly more muscle loss than other ways of losing weight, that news isn't really news.
        SoftTalker 2y ago
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  > Part of the Australian national, state, and local health care system is policy to encourage healthy life styles and to discourage, limit, or ban food additives, tobacco, etc. Except gambling?
  - defrost 2y ago
    There's a book or two in the backstory of why neither Dentistry nor Mental Health get the same inclusion in traditional health systems :(
    - hedvig23 2y ago
      Can you complete the assertion or cite what you were going to cite (if it was half done)?
      - defrost 2y ago
        It's complete as it stands. see: https://theconversation.com/why-isnt-dental-included-in-medicare-its-time-to-change-this-heres-how-239086 https://theconversation.com/why-isnt-dental-included-in-medi... , realise that mental health services also had poor inclusion at times and that "gambling" is being implied to fall under mental health services (and hence not addressed). On a more serious note, gambling in Australia has some serious industry influence that's preventing it being properly addressed - see: (for example) Media Watch -s2024e31- Monday 2024-09-09 They're Addicted
  - blitzar 2y ago
    I bet you it wouldnt make much of a difference.
grecy 2y ago
> it shows how great the US healthcare system really is. You think paying vastly more for much worse outcomes is a good thing?? Boy do I have a GREAT used car for you!
saturn8601 2y ago
>Its a miracle that if the US health is nearly as good as Australians it shows how great the US healthcare system really is. Or its a ticking time bomb: 39.6% of Americans are Obese(BMI 30 or higher). Fast forward 15 years and this will probably collapse the country. It certainly will be the No 1 issue in the country bar none. Ozempic may actually give the country a chance of some sort of future.

by rr808 2y ago

defrost 2y ago

Part of the Australian national, state, and local health care system is policy to encourage healthy life styles and to discourage, limit, or ban food additives, tobacco, etc. Back in the 1970s the AU Government was running campaigns such as Life. Be In It: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjEge3Awl8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjEge3Awl8 (many short segments airing with commercials on TV). Planning requirements typically require open spaces, walking paths, sporting facilities, etc. A "healthcare system" needs to be more than simply "immediate care for the injured, sick, and|or dying".

analog31 2y ago
Unfortunately, obesity rates are rising worldwide, including in Australia.
- Narkov 2y ago
  > Ozempic has entered the chat.
  - atq2119 2y ago
    This honestly feels like the kind of thing where 20 years from now we'll be more aware of the side effects and people will shake heads about how stupid "we" were today. If this is going to be an exception, it'd be truly interesting.
    - gquere 2y ago
      There are already a bunch of studies showing that the ozempic causes massive muscle loss and lessens bone density. And before anyone remarks "just do resistance training", I doubt the people that take the easy solution will do it in conjunction.
      - Aerroon 2y ago
        Do they cause it in excess of normal weight loss in the same time period? I'm asking because regular weight loss that's quick will have both of these effects too.
        apwell23 2y ago
        > Do they cause it in excess of normal weight loss in the same time period? I think you mean diet and exercise when you say 'normal'. Its not possible to have that much 'normal weight loss' in the 'same period'.
        Aerroon 2y ago
        Correct me if I'm wrong but Ozempic doesn't cause you to lose weight, instead it controls your appetite. It's not something like DNP, right? 'Normal weight loss' here refers to eating the same amount of calories without taking Ozempic. You should lose weight at the same speed as with Ozempic, because it's the calories that matter when it comes to fat loss.
      - inglor_cz 2y ago
        Weight loss always comes with some muscle loss and bone density loss, because the structure now supports less weight than before, and our bodies dislike to maintain muscle apparatus beyond what is necessary. Unless Ozempic causes significantly more muscle loss than other ways of losing weight, that news isn't really news.
        SoftTalker 2y ago
throwaway2037 2y ago
> Part of the Australian national, state, and local health care system is policy to encourage healthy life styles and to discourage, limit, or ban food additives, tobacco, etc. Except gambling?
- defrost 2y ago
  There's a book or two in the backstory of why neither Dentistry nor Mental Health get the same inclusion in traditional health systems :(
  - hedvig23 2y ago
    Can you complete the assertion or cite what you were going to cite (if it was half done)?
    - defrost 2y ago
      It's complete as it stands. see: https://theconversation.com/why-isnt-dental-included-in-medicare-its-time-to-change-this-heres-how-239086 https://theconversation.com/why-isnt-dental-included-in-medi... , realise that mental health services also had poor inclusion at times and that "gambling" is being implied to fall under mental health services (and hence not addressed). On a more serious note, gambling in Australia has some serious industry influence that's preventing it being properly addressed - see: (for example) Media Watch -s2024e31- Monday 2024-09-09 They're Addicted
- blitzar 2y ago
  I bet you it wouldnt make much of a difference.

grecy 2y ago

> it shows how great the US healthcare system really is. You think paying vastly more for much worse outcomes is a good thing?? Boy do I have a GREAT used car for you!

saturn8601 2y ago

>Its a miracle that if the US health is nearly as good as Australians it shows how great the US healthcare system really is. Or its a ticking time bomb: 39.6% of Americans are Obese(BMI 30 or higher). Fast forward 15 years and this will probably collapse the country. It certainly will be the No 1 issue in the country bar none. Ozempic may actually give the country a chance of some sort of future.