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“ CEO Elon Musk telling advertisers to “go f— yourself.” “ In context (ie truth), Musk was specifically telling advertisers that are blackmailing to dictate sp

“ CEO Elon Musk telling advertisers to “go f— yourself.” “ In context (ie truth), Musk was specifically telling advertisers that are blackmailing to dictate speech can gfy.

BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
> blackmailing to dictate speech Deciding not to buy from you isn't blackmail. Words have meanings. Blackmail has a definition.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  Well GARM wasn’t sure that was true, so they immediately disbanded and that was praised as a first amendment win by the highest office holders in the us government.
  - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
    > Well GARM wasn’t sure that was true This is a lie. > praised as a first amendment win by the highest office holders in the us government Well, at one point the highest office holder in the US government looked directly at the sun during a solar eclipse, so this praise really doesn't say very much about whether it was a good or bad thing.
    - mensetmanusman 2y ago
      It’s tautologically the case that they wouldn’t have disbanded if they had 100% assurance this type of cartel was legal.
      - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
        > It’s tautologically the case that they wouldn’t have disbanded if they had 100% assurance this type of cartel was legal Also a lie. You should read up on SLAPP lawsuits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ... Musk is pretty famous for bringing forum-shopped SLAPP lawsuits against his critics, because he has enough money to ruin other people with legal fees. They do generally get thrown out, but the legal system is not an efficient truth and justice machine like you pretend, and there's no federal anti-SLAPP law in the US, only state laws that don't apply in Texas when suing in a federal court. But circling back, please tell me that you recognize a difference between the words "boycott" and "blackmail".
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    Did that get Elon his advertising back?
runjake 2y ago
Boycotting != blackmailing. It's perfectly within an advertiser's rights, even if you or I disagree. Vote with your wallet, as they say.
- lesuorac 2y ago
  One thing to note is that not only is it within an advertiser's rights, it's probably also the better business decision. If you can do a marketing campaign on say FaceBook where your ads will be targeted to your narrow market or a campaign on Twitter where your ads will be haphazardly place; which would you do? It's Elons own fault. If he wanted Twitter to be able to compete with its competitors he probably shouldn't've fired the engineering team.
exe34 2y ago
they didn't demand that he say or did not say certain things. they informed him that they didn't want their brands advertised next to the sort of things that their customers would frown upon. you'd think that in becoming a billionaire, he'd have picked up a few rules of business.
- immibis 2y ago
  And the ability to do this is bad, but it's also just normal capitalism which Elon supports. I'm okay with capitalism shifting capitalism supporters.
  - DrillShopper 2y ago
    It's also a choice that Twitter made long ago to be funded primarily by advertisers. You'd think the guy that blew billions on the site might have noticed that during the due diligence he most certainly did
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    Except it shifts the ones with power towards authoritarianism, not reflection.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    I mean, it's just freedom of association. There are only very limited circumstances where a company can be forced to advertise somewhere (only example I can think of is tobacco and alcohol companies required to pay for anti-smoking/drinking/etc PSAs as part of legal settlements).
    - immibis 2y ago
      Which is fine when it's about people listening to you, but bad when livelihoods depend on it. We can do better.
      - exe34 2y ago
        livelihoods? didn't he fire most of the employees at Twitter? what about their livelihoods?
invaderzirp 2y ago
"Everyone who doesn't want to do business with me is blackmailing me! Also they're very mean!"

“ CEO Elon Musk telling advertisers to “go f— yourself.” “ In context (ie truth), Musk was specifically telling advertisers that are blackmailing to dictate speech can gfy.

BugsJustFindMe 2y ago

> blackmailing to dictate speech Deciding not to buy from you isn't blackmail. Words have meanings. Blackmail has a definition.

mensetmanusman 2y ago
Well GARM wasn’t sure that was true, so they immediately disbanded and that was praised as a first amendment win by the highest office holders in the us government.
- BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
  > Well GARM wasn’t sure that was true This is a lie. > praised as a first amendment win by the highest office holders in the us government Well, at one point the highest office holder in the US government looked directly at the sun during a solar eclipse, so this praise really doesn't say very much about whether it was a good or bad thing.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    It’s tautologically the case that they wouldn’t have disbanded if they had 100% assurance this type of cartel was legal.
    - BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
      > It’s tautologically the case that they wouldn’t have disbanded if they had 100% assurance this type of cartel was legal Also a lie. You should read up on SLAPP lawsuits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ... Musk is pretty famous for bringing forum-shopped SLAPP lawsuits against his critics, because he has enough money to ruin other people with legal fees. They do generally get thrown out, but the legal system is not an efficient truth and justice machine like you pretend, and there's no federal anti-SLAPP law in the US, only state laws that don't apply in Texas when suing in a federal court. But circling back, please tell me that you recognize a difference between the words "boycott" and "blackmail".
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- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  Did that get Elon his advertising back?

runjake 2y ago

Boycotting != blackmailing. It's perfectly within an advertiser's rights, even if you or I disagree. Vote with your wallet, as they say.

lesuorac 2y ago
One thing to note is that not only is it within an advertiser's rights, it's probably also the better business decision. If you can do a marketing campaign on say FaceBook where your ads will be targeted to your narrow market or a campaign on Twitter where your ads will be haphazardly place; which would you do? It's Elons own fault. If he wanted Twitter to be able to compete with its competitors he probably shouldn't've fired the engineering team.

exe34 2y ago

they didn't demand that he say or did not say certain things. they informed him that they didn't want their brands advertised next to the sort of things that their customers would frown upon. you'd think that in becoming a billionaire, he'd have picked up a few rules of business.

immibis 2y ago
And the ability to do this is bad, but it's also just normal capitalism which Elon supports. I'm okay with capitalism shifting capitalism supporters.
- DrillShopper 2y ago
  It's also a choice that Twitter made long ago to be funded primarily by advertisers. You'd think the guy that blew billions on the site might have noticed that during the due diligence he most certainly did
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  Except it shifts the ones with power towards authoritarianism, not reflection.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  I mean, it's just freedom of association. There are only very limited circumstances where a company can be forced to advertise somewhere (only example I can think of is tobacco and alcohol companies required to pay for anti-smoking/drinking/etc PSAs as part of legal settlements).
  - immibis 2y ago
    Which is fine when it's about people listening to you, but bad when livelihoods depend on it. We can do better.
    - exe34 2y ago
      livelihoods? didn't he fire most of the employees at Twitter? what about their livelihoods?

invaderzirp 2y ago

"Everyone who doesn't want to do business with me is blackmailing me! Also they're very mean!"