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Really looking forward to #embed, once the compilers catch up. Until then, Golang.

enriquto 2y ago
This is not how C standards work. If it appears in the standard, it means that it is already implemented in some compilers (in that case, at least in gcc and clang).
- pjmlp 2y ago
  That isn't really how it goes, that is how it used to be up to C99.
  - enriquto 2y ago
    Thanks for the correction! Do you know if there is a document from the standards body explaining the change in philosophy?
    - MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
      I've heard something along the lines of "the standard is to define facilities that will be used in most programs, and to codify widespread existing practice." That was in the context of "I don't like this proposed feature," though. This was for C++, not C. A lot of stuff in the C++11 standard library was based on widespread use of Boost. Since then, I don't know. Also, were things like templates and lambdas implemented as compiler extensions before standardization? I don't know, but I doubt it. Maybe "we're a committee of people who will decide on a thing and we hope you like it" was always the norm in many ways.
    - JonChesterfield 2y ago
      It's a nuisance to implement the thing you want to add to the standard yourself. It's easier to ship it in the language and then complain at compiler devs that they're running behind the edge of progress. This interacts in the obvious way with refusing to correct mistakes after the fact for fear of breaking user code. I don't believe anyone has written a paper along the lines of "let's not bother with the existing practice part anymore", it's more an emergent feature of people following local incentive structures.
rfl890 2y ago
Clang 19 has it.
jpcfl 2y ago
Or xxd --include <file> :)
- Keyframe 2y ago
  The anti-Rust approach!
f1shy 2y ago
I do that with ld and objcopy: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58815959/include-binary-data-files-into-compiled-binary-without-converting-to-hex-arrays https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58815959/include-binary-...
accelbred 2y ago
I end up using a .S asm file with .incbin directives to embed files. #embed would be much nicer
- JonChesterfield 2y ago
  Incbin works just fine from inline asm fwiw
  - flohofwoe 2y ago
    Inline assembly isn't supported for x86-64 and ARM on MSVC which unfortunately also means the incbin trick can't be used there anymore.

This is not how C standards work. If it appears in the standard, it means that it is already implemented in some compilers (in that case, at least in gcc and clang).

pjmlp 2y ago
That isn't really how it goes, that is how it used to be up to C99.
- enriquto 2y ago
  Thanks for the correction! Do you know if there is a document from the standards body explaining the change in philosophy?
  - MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
    I've heard something along the lines of "the standard is to define facilities that will be used in most programs, and to codify widespread existing practice." That was in the context of "I don't like this proposed feature," though. This was for C++, not C. A lot of stuff in the C++11 standard library was based on widespread use of Boost. Since then, I don't know. Also, were things like templates and lambdas implemented as compiler extensions before standardization? I don't know, but I doubt it. Maybe "we're a committee of people who will decide on a thing and we hope you like it" was always the norm in many ways.
  - JonChesterfield 2y ago
    It's a nuisance to implement the thing you want to add to the standard yourself. It's easier to ship it in the language and then complain at compiler devs that they're running behind the edge of progress. This interacts in the obvious way with refusing to correct mistakes after the fact for fear of breaking user code. I don't believe anyone has written a paper along the lines of "let's not bother with the existing practice part anymore", it's more an emergent feature of people following local incentive structures.

rfl890 2y ago

Clang 19 has it.

jpcfl 2y ago

Or xxd --include <file> :)

Keyframe 2y ago
The anti-Rust approach!

f1shy 2y ago

I do that with ld and objcopy: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58815959/include-binary-data-files-into-compiled-binary-without-converting-to-hex-arrays https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58815959/include-binary-...

accelbred 2y ago

I end up using a .S asm file with .incbin directives to embed files. #embed would be much nicer

JonChesterfield 2y ago
Incbin works just fine from inline asm fwiw
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  Inline assembly isn't supported for x86-64 and ARM on MSVC which unfortunately also means the incbin trick can't be used there anymore.