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That is true of many if not most predators.
by sandworm101 2y ago
That is true of many if not most predators.
- JohnMakin 2y agoYes, but not many predators are known for preying on humans, which is why it is disturbing to me.
- nerdponx 2y agoThere's a myth floating around among certain "crunchy hippie" types that predation in nature is relatively humane and usually results in a quick kill. That myth could be dispelled easily by watching just about any wildlife video of course. Life survives because of its tremendous capacity to endure suffering beyond imagination. Life goes on in spite of nature. "Mother nature" is cruel and uncaring. Our survival is all but guaranteed, but our ability to avoid horror and misery hangs in a tenuous balance that we had best strive to preserve.
- hackable_sand 2y agoWhat do you call someone who irrationally fears nature?
- card_zero 2y agoLike an irrational fear of deadly predators?
- hackable_sand 2y agoYes like that
- pvaldes 2y agosurvivor
- sandworm101 2y agoFear of being eaten by lions is not irrational. Walking through the jungle thinking you are somehow not on something's menu, that is irrational.
- efnx 2y agoIt depends on which jungle though ;)
- hackable_sand 2y agoYou are welcome to naively walk into a Lion den and get eaten. If you do not want to get eaten, don't get eaten. There's nothing to fear here.
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- mistrial9 2y agothis is stereotyping characterization, and is expressly disallowed when talking about many minority groups.. why is it OK here?
- amiga386 2y agoGroups can be defined both by people's intrinsic properties that they can't change (e.g. sex, race, age, sexuality, heritage) and their beliefs which they can definitely change (opinions, philosophy, religion). It's OK to make fun of hippies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGuXCuDb1U
- mistrial9 2y agono
- griffzhowl 2y agoWatching a video doesn't tell you what's going on internally. Here's how Dr. Livingstone describes being attacked by a lion: "Growling horribly close to my ear, he shook me as a terrier dog does a rat. The shock produced a stupor similar to that which seems to be felt by a mouse after the first shake of the cat. It caused a sort of dreaminess, in which there was no sense of pain nor feeling of terror, though quite conscious of all that was happening." I'm not guaranteeing you'll have similar results in every attack by a predator, but just because soemthing looks horrifying doesn't necessarily mean it'll be experienced as such
- sandworm101 2y agoThat is his memory of the event, something very different than the actual event. Being eaten by a predator is, evolutionarily, the most horrible thing that can happen.
- potato3732842 2y agoContagious disease is typically worse from an evolutionary perspective since the damage is frequently not contained to one individual.
- griffzhowl 2y agoYes, of course, a report of an event is a different thing from the event itself, but do you have more reason to suspect this report than an average one? It seems the difference between pain and a surprising lack of pain would be a salient feature of an experience, which we would normally take to be well-remembered. And I don't know why you bring in what is bad "evolutionarily". I was talking about how an animal undergoing the experience would feel it. Evolution is an explanation for why we see the diversity that we do in living things, but it doesn't confer an evaluation about what is better or worse. Evolution is fine with you being eaten by a predator, as long as, on the average, you've done enough reproducing first.
- nerdponx 2y agoYes, if you're lucky you'll pass out or go into shock or dissociate. But you might not get lucky. I also wasn't focused only on predators. Actually being shaken around and ripped apart by a lion is probably not the worst way to go. You could die of a skin infection being attacked by maggots, or thirst, or drowning, or be picked at by scavengers while you are in the process of dying from something else. There are lots of ways to suffer on your way out. Moreover, there are lots of ways to suffer tremendously and not die for a very long time, remaining fully conscious and aware of your suffering the whole time.
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y agoDifferent big cats typically kill in different ways. Tigers bite the neck/throat, Jaguars bite through skull. Lions are more pack hunters and overpower/tire their prey, then I guess start eating it as soon as it is down.
- adrian_b 2y agoWhen the prey is dangerous and could cause them injuries, like a buffalo or a giraffe, the lions will first suffocate it to death, which may take 10 minutes or more, but as soon as the prey is no longer a threat, they will start eating it, dead or alive.
- aborsy 2y agoFor powerful prey, including other male lions, lions break the spine or neck first. The prey is then immobilized.
- adrian_b 2y agoOther male lions are not really big prey. For their biggest preys, like adult buffaloes or giraffes, lions are not powerful enough to break their necks or spines, their only killing method is suffocation. Breaking the spines is a method much more typical for bears, e.g. when killing cattle. On the other hand, hyenas and wild dogs kill big prey by evisceration, which is gruesome, but actually faster than suffocation.
- purpleblue 2y agoI have been a member of /r/natureismetal and I can tell you without a doubt that most prey are eaten alive. Even baboons and chimps eat their prey alive.
- mixmastamyk 2y agoWe boil lobsters alive, can’t think of a worse way to go.
- amiga386 2y agoHow about being imploded like a submarine CEO? https://www.hiperbaric.com/en/hpp-seafood-shells-away-with-high-pressure-processing-shucking/ https://www.hiperbaric.com/en/hpp-seafood-shells-away-with-h... > The HPP seafood meat extraction process involves pressure levels around 3,000 – 4,200 bar (44.1 – 60.3 kpsi) and holding times between 45 – 90 s. Shucking with seawater (4 – 25 °C) improves flavor as high pressure infuses salt into the lobster meat. HPP shucking should occur with live lobsters
- dctoedt 2y ago> How about being imploded like a submarine CEO? What I've read over the years is that when a submarine implodes from external pressure, the implosion happens SO fast that the human occupants are never aware of it. [0] That sounds to me like the one time I was ever under general anesthesia: One instant I was chatting with the medical staff as they were putting me under, the next instant I opened my eyes and saw my wife standing over me in the recovery room. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_submersible_implosion#:~:text=Simulations%20developed%20in%202023%20suggest,immediately%2C%20with%20no%20pain%2C%20as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_submersible_implosion#:~...
- harpiaharpyja 2y agoMight there not be some selection bias there?