> And real manipulation and persuasion seem to fail: if everyone is allowed to manipulate everyone else, everyone loses their own control of themselves -- in wh

> And real manipulation and persuasion seem to fail: if everyone is allowed to manipulate everyone else, everyone loses their own control of themselves -- in which case, how can they manipulate someone else? There is a contradiction. Consider the case of two people A and B in a zero-sum game, who are trying to manipulate one another. Both parties know the score---that each is attempting to control the others actions. When A or B acts, either one party has succeeded at manipulating the other or both parties have failed. There can be no situation where A manipulates B (thus A wins), and B manipulates A (thus B wins simultaneously).