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A history of microwave ovens without mention of reanimating cryogenically frozen hamsters?

A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
Ok, my google search is becoming increasingly weird now[1], but apparently that did happen[2]. Now I am compelled to share it with people at work. [1]https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=J+Physiol&title=Reanimation+of+rats+from+body+temperatures+between+0+and+1+degree+C+by+microwave+diathermy.&author=RK+ANDJUS&author=JE+LOVELOCK&volume=128&issue=3&publication_year=1955&pages=541-546&pmid=13243347& https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=J+Physiol&... [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1363505/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1363505/
surprisetalk 2y ago
I definitely didn't forget the hamsters :) Maybe crtl+f didn't work correctly? Here's Lovelock's original paper if you're curious: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1365902/pdf/jphysiol01396-0132.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1365902/pdf/jph...
- james-bcn 2y ago
  Oh yes! I missed it, sorry.
- itsmemattchung 2y ago
  Awesome article and glad you pointed towards the YouTube video, where Lovelock was interviewed, which ultimately answered my question: can Cryogenics be used to freeze humans? According to that fascinating and interesting video, answer (for now) is no because "it's partly a matter of how quickly you can get anti-freeze agent to diffuse into the cells ... humans too big."
- xattt 2y ago
  Nitpicking, but 0° to 1°C isn’t cryogenic, merely deeply hypothermic. Therapeutic near-body temp hypothermia is often used post-cardiac arrest, while recovery from hypothermic states as a result of misadventure has often been documented. (1) https://acls-algorithms.com/post-cardiac-arrest-care/ https://acls-algorithms.com/post-cardiac-arrest-care/ (2) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7387271/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7387271/
throw0101d 2y ago
> A history of microwave ovens without mention of reanimating cryogenically frozen hamsters? There is: > 1954: James Lovelock et al. reanimated cryogenically-frozen hamsters using an ad-hoc microwave oven. Mentions the Tom Scott video where he interview Lovelock (who passed a year later, in 2022): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdiKTSdE9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdiKTSdE9Y

Ok, my google search is becoming increasingly weird now[1], but apparently that did happen[2]. Now I am compelled to share it with people at work. [1]https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=J+Physiol&title=Reanimation+of+rats+from+body+temperatures+between+0+and+1+degree+C+by+microwave+diathermy.&author=RK+ANDJUS&author=JE+LOVELOCK&volume=128&issue=3&publication_year=1955&pages=541-546&pmid=13243347& https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?journal=J+Physiol&... [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1363505/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1363505/

surprisetalk 2y ago

I definitely didn't forget the hamsters :) Maybe crtl+f didn't work correctly? Here's Lovelock's original paper if you're curious: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1365902/pdf/jphysiol01396-0132.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1365902/pdf/jph...

james-bcn 2y ago
Oh yes! I missed it, sorry.
itsmemattchung 2y ago
Awesome article and glad you pointed towards the YouTube video, where Lovelock was interviewed, which ultimately answered my question: can Cryogenics be used to freeze humans? According to that fascinating and interesting video, answer (for now) is no because "it's partly a matter of how quickly you can get anti-freeze agent to diffuse into the cells ... humans too big."
xattt 2y ago
Nitpicking, but 0° to 1°C isn’t cryogenic, merely deeply hypothermic. Therapeutic near-body temp hypothermia is often used post-cardiac arrest, while recovery from hypothermic states as a result of misadventure has often been documented. (1) https://acls-algorithms.com/post-cardiac-arrest-care/ https://acls-algorithms.com/post-cardiac-arrest-care/ (2) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7387271/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7387271/

throw0101d 2y ago

> A history of microwave ovens without mention of reanimating cryogenically frozen hamsters? There is: > 1954: James Lovelock et al. reanimated cryogenically-frozen hamsters using an ad-hoc microwave oven. Mentions the Tom Scott video where he interview Lovelock (who passed a year later, in 2022): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdiKTSdE9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tdiKTSdE9Y