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I disagree on the offensive party part - in Feb 2012, Google/Motorola used a pager-era patent to get an injunction against multiple Apple devices[1] in Germany.

I disagree on the offensive party part - in Feb 2012, Google/Motorola used a pager-era patent to get an injunction against multiple Apple devices[1] in Germany. Apple had to disable iCloud push email feature to get their products back on shelf. [1]http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/02/apple-faces-double-whammy-in-germany-icloud-injunction-3g-device-enforcement/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/02/apple-faces-double-wham...

recoiledsnake 14y ago
I am sorry, but given your submission history I find it hard to believe that you are not aware of the fact that Apple started suing Motorola in Germany first. http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motorola-in-europe.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motor...
- raganesh 14y ago
  I do follow the patent law suites. In case of Apple vs. Motorola, it was in fact Motorola that set the ball rolling with its first suit in October 2010 in the US. It was the same fight over the same set of patents that has spilled over into German courts.
  - cooldeal 14y ago
    That's simply not true. http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/proof-apple-attacked-motorola-not-other.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/proof-apple-attacked-moto...
    - raganesh 14y ago
      Same blog, earlier article: http://www.fosspatents.com/2010/12/apple-vs-motorola-now-42-patents-in.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2010/12/apple-vs-motorola-now-42-... Motorola filed the first suit. Even in the article you have linked, the author says "...why my position is that Apple attacked Motorola even though Motorola technically won the race to the courthouse". Irrespective of what the author thinks went in the background, he admits Motorola filed the suit first.
      - cooldeal 14y ago
        Do you honestly believe that Apple wouldn't have sued Motorola if it didn't sue Apple first? Do you think they found infringing patents among thousands and assembled a full lawsuit and filed it in in about 15 working days? Your own link states several times that Motorola was trying to pre-empt the attack and that Apple's attack was 'long awaited'. Do you really think Apple was not the patent aggressor in this case?
        raganesh 14y ago
        What I believe is besides the point. And the attempt by Motorola to pre-empt is the Author's point of view, not mine. Why could it not be the other way around? Maybe Apple was preparing in secret, fearing a law suit by Motorola. That is equally plausible.
ralfn 14y ago
How is Apple not an offensive party? Has Apple not sued Android based device makers before feb 2012? Is Google/Motorola suing any party that has not first sued them or any of their partners for doing bussiness with Google?
- raganesh 14y ago
  In case of Motorola vs. Apple, it was Motorola that sued Apple first. See this thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4184714 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4184714

recoiledsnake 14y ago

I am sorry, but given your submission history I find it hard to believe that you are not aware of the fact that Apple started suing Motorola in Germany first. http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motorola-in-europe.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motor...

raganesh 14y ago
I do follow the patent law suites. In case of Apple vs. Motorola, it was in fact Motorola that set the ball rolling with its first suit in October 2010 in the US. It was the same fight over the same set of patents that has spilled over into German courts.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  That's simply not true. http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/proof-apple-attacked-motorola-not-other.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/proof-apple-attacked-moto...
  - raganesh 14y ago
    Same blog, earlier article: http://www.fosspatents.com/2010/12/apple-vs-motorola-now-42-patents-in.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2010/12/apple-vs-motorola-now-42-... Motorola filed the first suit. Even in the article you have linked, the author says "...why my position is that Apple attacked Motorola even though Motorola technically won the race to the courthouse". Irrespective of what the author thinks went in the background, he admits Motorola filed the suit first.
    - cooldeal 14y ago
      Do you honestly believe that Apple wouldn't have sued Motorola if it didn't sue Apple first? Do you think they found infringing patents among thousands and assembled a full lawsuit and filed it in in about 15 working days? Your own link states several times that Motorola was trying to pre-empt the attack and that Apple's attack was 'long awaited'. Do you really think Apple was not the patent aggressor in this case?
      - raganesh 14y ago
        What I believe is besides the point. And the attempt by Motorola to pre-empt is the Author's point of view, not mine. Why could it not be the other way around? Maybe Apple was preparing in secret, fearing a law suit by Motorola. That is equally plausible.

ralfn 14y ago

How is Apple not an offensive party? Has Apple not sued Android based device makers before feb 2012? Is Google/Motorola suing any party that has not first sued them or any of their partners for doing bussiness with Google?

raganesh 14y ago
In case of Motorola vs. Apple, it was Motorola that sued Apple first. See this thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4184714 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4184714