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Cheating at a PvE game like Helldivers is basically a victimless crime (I don’t do it, but I can see why people would).

by bee_rider 2y ago

a_t48 2y ago
Cheating with only your friends - yeah, mostly. Cheating with randos sounds like it would lead to boring gameplay.
- wcfields 2y ago
  Like, you can cheat at Solitaire, but why?
  - shermantanktop 2y ago
    Hey, dopamine is dopamine. This ain’t stolen valor or a plagiarized thesis.
    - smolder 2y ago
      I think it's a special kind of person that gets a kick from "winning" at something that's not a challenge. You might as well write "winner" on a t-shirt in marker and wear it.
      - lazide 2y ago
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      - bee_rider 2y ago
        I don’t really know that it is cheating to get a “win” label. Maybe it is just a distraction or fun flashing lights. Do you remember being a child and just playing with action figures? It was harmless and fun. I wonder where we lose that ability to just chill and have fun without a challenge. Actually, a lot of people seem to just spend a lot of time watching TV, which is also fun without challenge.
        smolder 2y ago
        The comparison to TV watching or playing pretend is apt, though I don't see how cheating at multiplayer games is an improvement over those. If you cheat in something like helldivers 2 (what my comment is meant to address) that can also spoil other peoples' experience who actually want a challenge. Besides, nowadays you have the option of just watching someone else play a game to completion on twitch or youtube, which is quite popular.
      - shermantanktop 2y ago
        Solitaire is a game, and many people see games in terms of gaining or losing either social status or self-image. But for single-player games: - maybe "winning" is a special case of "completing" - "playing a game" in a competitive sense is totally different than "playing" in an undirected sense; e.g. playing with Legos or playing with a cat. Or playing with matches for that matter. - for me, i'd much rather write "winner" on a t-shirt and wear it than prance around in a t-shirt that I legit competed for and won, and I need the world to know that about me. What kind of fragile ego does that? I'm more likely to see that as a "special kind of person."
        smolder 2y ago
        > But for single-player games We were talking about people cheating at multiplayer co-op in this thread. I don't think people use rule-breaking cheats in multiplayer games (competitive or otherwise) purely for the story in the game, or they could go watch a TV show/movie or read a book instead and get a better story. (Or watch someone else play it!) > for me, i'd much rather write "winner" on a t-shirt and wear it than prance around in a t-shirt that I legit competed for and won, and I need the world to know that about me. What kind of fragile ego does that? I'm more likely to see that as a "special kind of person." These aren't the only two options. You can also just challenge yourself for the satisfaction of overcoming challenges and not wear a t-shirt. I think when people cheat at something where the outcome is broadcast there is almost always an element of status seeking.
        shermantanktop 2y ago
        I was responding to > Like, you can cheat at Solitaire, but why?
        smolder 2y ago
        Yeah, that's fair and what you said is reasonable. I was changing the context back to multiplayer to make my point about that.
blitzar 2y ago
It is a crime against oneself.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  It is a pretty straightforward wave shooter game. I had fun with it, but it isn’t high art or anything. I enjoy games like Hades or Dark Souls where the fact that you keep losing is an interesting part of the narrative and builds the overall ambiance. Helldivers (2, at least) is not really that sort of game, the plot is more like fun, even sillier Starship Troopers. I played it properly, but I think is somebody decided to fast-forward through some bits they wouldn’t be denying themselves too much.

Cheating at a PvE game like Helldivers is basically a victimless crime (I don’t do it, but I can see why people would).

a_t48 2y ago

Cheating with only your friends - yeah, mostly. Cheating with randos sounds like it would lead to boring gameplay.

wcfields 2y ago
Like, you can cheat at Solitaire, but why?
- shermantanktop 2y ago
  Hey, dopamine is dopamine. This ain’t stolen valor or a plagiarized thesis.
  - smolder 2y ago
    I think it's a special kind of person that gets a kick from "winning" at something that's not a challenge. You might as well write "winner" on a t-shirt in marker and wear it.
    - lazide 2y ago
      Speaking of which [https://www.thepopculture.co/products/need-room-full-mirrors-so-can-be-surrounded-winners-kanye-west-tweet-merch-tee-t-shirt https://www.thepopculture.co/products/need-room-full-mirrors...]
    - bee_rider 2y ago
      I don’t really know that it is cheating to get a “win” label. Maybe it is just a distraction or fun flashing lights. Do you remember being a child and just playing with action figures? It was harmless and fun. I wonder where we lose that ability to just chill and have fun without a challenge. Actually, a lot of people seem to just spend a lot of time watching TV, which is also fun without challenge.
      - smolder 2y ago
        The comparison to TV watching or playing pretend is apt, though I don't see how cheating at multiplayer games is an improvement over those. If you cheat in something like helldivers 2 (what my comment is meant to address) that can also spoil other peoples' experience who actually want a challenge. Besides, nowadays you have the option of just watching someone else play a game to completion on twitch or youtube, which is quite popular.
    - shermantanktop 2y ago
      Solitaire is a game, and many people see games in terms of gaining or losing either social status or self-image. But for single-player games: - maybe "winning" is a special case of "completing" - "playing a game" in a competitive sense is totally different than "playing" in an undirected sense; e.g. playing with Legos or playing with a cat. Or playing with matches for that matter. - for me, i'd much rather write "winner" on a t-shirt and wear it than prance around in a t-shirt that I legit competed for and won, and I need the world to know that about me. What kind of fragile ego does that? I'm more likely to see that as a "special kind of person."
      - smolder 2y ago
        > But for single-player games We were talking about people cheating at multiplayer co-op in this thread. I don't think people use rule-breaking cheats in multiplayer games (competitive or otherwise) purely for the story in the game, or they could go watch a TV show/movie or read a book instead and get a better story. (Or watch someone else play it!) > for me, i'd much rather write "winner" on a t-shirt and wear it than prance around in a t-shirt that I legit competed for and won, and I need the world to know that about me. What kind of fragile ego does that? I'm more likely to see that as a "special kind of person." These aren't the only two options. You can also just challenge yourself for the satisfaction of overcoming challenges and not wear a t-shirt. I think when people cheat at something where the outcome is broadcast there is almost always an element of status seeking.
        shermantanktop 2y ago
        I was responding to > Like, you can cheat at Solitaire, but why?
        smolder 2y ago
        Yeah, that's fair and what you said is reasonable. I was changing the context back to multiplayer to make my point about that.

blitzar 2y ago

It is a crime against oneself.

bee_rider 2y ago
It is a pretty straightforward wave shooter game. I had fun with it, but it isn’t high art or anything. I enjoy games like Hades or Dark Souls where the fact that you keep losing is an interesting part of the narrative and builds the overall ambiance. Helldivers (2, at least) is not really that sort of game, the plot is more like fun, even sillier Starship Troopers. I played it properly, but I think is somebody decided to fast-forward through some bits they wouldn’t be denying themselves too much.