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Israeli army's new YouTube strategy may have backfired

24 points by ksvs 18y ago

qqq 18y ago
No politics. No anti-semitism. Go away. Flagged.
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- nir 18y ago
  BBC is not anti semite (though it is anti Israeli, according to its own report: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Balen_Report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Balen_Report) Anyway, I second "no politics" and flagging this. Take it to Reddit.
- pg 18y ago
  Following the sentence "no politics" with one equating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism is a bit hypocritical. It does show why stories that intersect with politics are dangerous though; the topic seems to bring out the most irrational in people.
  - qqq 18y ago
    I think it's important that he knows reasonable people consider that article anti-semitic. If you saw a post you considered anti-semitic, would you want to quietly omit that? I did not "equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism". That is not my reasoning. That is a political interpretation that you have made.
    - natrius 18y ago
      "I think it's important that he knows reasonable people consider that article anti-semitic." I don't think anyone who is reading this places you in the category of reasonable people. For some reason you think it's okay to throw out accusations without justification. That is unreasonable. The article is hacker news because it shows an example of waging a PR campaign via YouTube.
  - edw519 18y ago
    disagreement = irrationality?
    - ivankirigin 18y ago
      clearly he said hypocritical == irrational
      - edw519 18y ago
        hypocritical == irrational Yes, my mistake. Thank you. clearly Not so sure about that.
  - rgr 18y ago
    He didn't say that criticism of Israel is anti-semitism. He just said 'No Politics. No anti-semitism.' I agree with him that HN should have no politics and no anti semitism or any racism for that matter. Don't you?
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    - qqq 18y ago
      rgr, You assert 'no politics' and also imply that anti-semitism is a type of racism. Some people think anti-semitism is different; that's a political issue. Therefore, according to pg, you are a hypocrite. And also irrational, if ivankirigin's interpretation is correct. Welcome to the club :)
  - brl 18y ago
    Not as hypocritical as following this submission up with whining about "no politics". http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=417001 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=417001
    - qqq 18y ago
      If you want to stalk me, please also enjoy my blog. You can even find some political posts there! http://curi.us/ http://curi.us/
  - davidw 18y ago
    I would have bet good money that this story would turn into a flame fest, you could see it coming from a mile away.
    - fallentimes 18y ago
      It's a shame because the article is really interesting and the discussions on HN are normally even better.
- vaksel 18y ago
  how come any time anyone criticizes Israel, people instantly label them Nazis who want to throw jews into ovens? And wtf really...the source is BBC, not some Hitler loving blog
  - qqq 18y ago
    What makes you think that "criticizing Israel" is what I was commenting on?
    - vaksel 18y ago
      Well what else is there? Or is there some subliminal message in the article to kill jews?
markessien 18y ago
In my opinion, there should be a little live webcasting camera in every bullet and missile. When everybody can view every single bullet hitting every single victim in slow motion, I believe there will be greater distaste for war. It would be quite a task to load balance the video database though.
- jbrun 18y ago
  As discussed here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=414225 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=414225 Lets hope it takes off - pun intended.
- homme 18y ago
  Need a new hosting solution though, youtube is not playing fair: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7n4re/graphic_video_of_israel_defense_forces_attack_on http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7n4re/graphic_vide...
IsaacSchlueter 18y ago
This isn't about politics or any kind of /(pro|anti)(israel|semitism)/. It's about technology, PR, and how the new media is disruptive to governments and society. It absolutely belongs on HN.
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hezi 18y ago
yeah, the secondary explosions in the video look exectly like an innocent track of Happy Birthday helium balloons
fallentimes 18y ago
While I don't agree with qqq, this has turned in to a witch hunt. Come on guys, he has a history of posting good stuff. Down modding everything he writes in to oblivion isn't going to help. PG's right though...politics bring out the worst in everyone.

24 points by ksvs 18y ago

qqq 18y ago

No politics. No anti-semitism. Go away. Flagged.

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nir 18y ago
BBC is not anti semite (though it is anti Israeli, according to its own report: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Balen_Report http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Balen_Report) Anyway, I second "no politics" and flagging this. Take it to Reddit.
pg 18y ago
Following the sentence "no politics" with one equating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism is a bit hypocritical. It does show why stories that intersect with politics are dangerous though; the topic seems to bring out the most irrational in people.
- qqq 18y ago
  I think it's important that he knows reasonable people consider that article anti-semitic. If you saw a post you considered anti-semitic, would you want to quietly omit that? I did not "equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism". That is not my reasoning. That is a political interpretation that you have made.
  - natrius 18y ago
    "I think it's important that he knows reasonable people consider that article anti-semitic." I don't think anyone who is reading this places you in the category of reasonable people. For some reason you think it's okay to throw out accusations without justification. That is unreasonable. The article is hacker news because it shows an example of waging a PR campaign via YouTube.
- edw519 18y ago
  disagreement = irrationality?
  - ivankirigin 18y ago
    clearly he said hypocritical == irrational
    - edw519 18y ago
      hypocritical == irrational Yes, my mistake. Thank you. clearly Not so sure about that.
- rgr 18y ago
  He didn't say that criticism of Israel is anti-semitism. He just said 'No Politics. No anti-semitism.' I agree with him that HN should have no politics and no anti semitism or any racism for that matter. Don't you?
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  - qqq 18y ago
    rgr, You assert 'no politics' and also imply that anti-semitism is a type of racism. Some people think anti-semitism is different; that's a political issue. Therefore, according to pg, you are a hypocrite. And also irrational, if ivankirigin's interpretation is correct. Welcome to the club :)
- brl 18y ago
  Not as hypocritical as following this submission up with whining about "no politics". http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=417001 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=417001
  - qqq 18y ago
    If you want to stalk me, please also enjoy my blog. You can even find some political posts there! http://curi.us/ http://curi.us/
- davidw 18y ago
  I would have bet good money that this story would turn into a flame fest, you could see it coming from a mile away.
  - fallentimes 18y ago
    It's a shame because the article is really interesting and the discussions on HN are normally even better.
vaksel 18y ago
how come any time anyone criticizes Israel, people instantly label them Nazis who want to throw jews into ovens? And wtf really...the source is BBC, not some Hitler loving blog
- qqq 18y ago
  What makes you think that "criticizing Israel" is what I was commenting on?
  - vaksel 18y ago
    Well what else is there? Or is there some subliminal message in the article to kill jews?

markessien 18y ago

In my opinion, there should be a little live webcasting camera in every bullet and missile. When everybody can view every single bullet hitting every single victim in slow motion, I believe there will be greater distaste for war. It would be quite a task to load balance the video database though.

jbrun 18y ago
As discussed here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=414225 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=414225 Lets hope it takes off - pun intended.
homme 18y ago
Need a new hosting solution though, youtube is not playing fair: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7n4re/graphic_video_of_israel_defense_forces_attack_on http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7n4re/graphic_vide...

IsaacSchlueter 18y ago

This isn't about politics or any kind of /(pro|anti)(israel|semitism)/. It's about technology, PR, and how the new media is disruptive to governments and society. It absolutely belongs on HN.

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hezi 18y ago

yeah, the secondary explosions in the video look exectly like an innocent track of Happy Birthday helium balloons

fallentimes 18y ago

While I don't agree with qqq, this has turned in to a witch hunt. Come on guys, he has a history of posting good stuff. Down modding everything he writes in to oblivion isn't going to help. PG's right though...politics bring out the worst in everyone.