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What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function

What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this. We have the technology we have the demand, it's just companies who make the high quality phones want to completely lock down the market. You would think the free market would produce a company that would tackle this issue but barrier to entry is waay to high so essentially we have small companies trying to get into this space but they are only creating sub-par products because they can't make something as good as an iphone. It's basically a legal monopoly. Companies can't get into it because the technology and capital required are way to high and only super mega corps like samsung and apple can pull it off... Closest thing I've seen to this product I'm looking for is the steam deck. I would buy a steam deck phone if it had the quality of a pixel/iphone device.

freedomben 2y ago
I agree I would love this option, but how much would you be willing to pay for such a device? Would you pay $800? $1,000? $1,400? That's where I have a hard time. I would pay that kind of money, but I would need something well polished and fully capable of being a "daily driver." I think many people are in the same place I am, and thus we have a real chicken and egg problem here.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  I'd pay up to 3k if it was quality delivered the experience of a top quality phone and a top quality laptop. I mean the technology to do this is already here. If apple or samsung wanted to do this... they can. Right now I use an iphone, but if samsung made a phone that felt like say linux, windows or macos when in laptop mode... I would switch off iphone in a heartbeat. And i mean it has to feel like macOS. None of that bloat is acceptable. SteamOS actually pulls this off but in a gaming form factor.
  - michaelmior 2y ago
    > and a top quality laptop. > I mean the technology to do this is already here. I think it really depends on what precisely you mean here. I don't think it's currently possible to get the same performance of my M3 Max MacBook Pro in the form factor of a phone.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
    > And i mean it has to feel like macOS. None of that bloat is acceptable. I suspect that every single thing you like about macOS is something I consider bloat (or would if that was the only related word I was allowed to use). My first task on my recently acquired M3 MBP was to remove/hide/disable as much of macOS as I possibly could; only then can I use it as a productive development environment.
- numpad0 2y ago
  Microsoft at one point was running full NT on ARM on phones. I think they could've done it within such price range, but didn't.
  - toast0 2y ago
    Didn't they? The Lumia 950 launched at about $500ish and supported Continuum. Continuum wasn't exactly full convergence, but it was kind of close. As I recall, they had a desktop dock and a laptop like dock, that you could pair your phone to (wireless or wired). Microsoft was big on their 'universal windows app' concept at the time, where universal meant actually only ran on a small fraction of windows devices. sigh
    - numpad0 2y ago
      aw. I completely forgot about that. Why didn't it just work? Was it... during those "we invest all our cash to everything needed for total Win32 dominance but boldly let it rot in the backlot" days of Microsoft... yes yes it was.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Hmm. If I bought a phone for ~$600 and a laptop for ~$1000, I guess I’d pay ~$1700 for the converged device (adding a little bit because of the intangible benefit of not having to manage my files anymore).
riversflow 2y ago
> One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this This is insane to me. Like not just no. Hell no. I want my phone to be a gadget, like a watch, not a whole ass computer. I want my tablet to be its own thing from my laptop, which is different from my PC(s). I absolutely, positively do NOT want general purpose computing to be the typical paradigm. I don’t want, need, or even like the idea of my phone, that I typically use like a wallet, to be a general purpose computation tool. Lock that shit down, please!
- whyowhy3484939 2y ago
  But it got electrolytes?
- fractallyte 2y ago
  Your phone is already a general purpose computer...
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  I should never say "everyone" anymore. Because everyone is almost never true. I mean overwhelming majority.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    I think adults should read 'majority' when someone says everyone. I will keep saying it when talking with adults as it is just easier than put all the exceptions; if some people get annoyed by it, that's not really my problem.
    - feetsoup 2y ago
      Alternatively you could use 'most people', or any one of several equivalent expressions, and preserve the meaning of everyone as every one. There is an aroma of manipulation around using language that gives the impression of absolute consensus even if all parties involved understand its vernacular meaning. It's embellishment in service of influencing people and rightly denounced in any context where accurate communication is important.
bsimpson 2y ago
I remember Motorola showing off a concept like this in ~2012.
auguzanellato 2y ago
Asus did that in 2011 with the PadFone, it was an Android mobile phone that you could plug into the provided tabled and then plug a keyboard into that.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  Yeah but it wasn't quality right? I mean the both modes need to have a UX on par with a regular laptop and a high quality phone.
- cuu508 2y ago
  There was also Motorola Atrix in 2011 with similar idea.
whyowhy3484939 2y ago
> I think everyone wants this. You asked for it. I don't want that. I don't want an "integrated experience" and "flagship quality". The first sounds juvenile and the second sounds unnecessarily expensive and probably containing shit I don't need, like fancy cameras to look good on my nonexistent socials. What I want is a simple, slow, old, efficient, simple phone with the interface of an 80s era 8bit computer that can actually, imagine this, make and, to complicate matters even further, even take calls. I basically want an open source dumb phone. Do these exist? If not, why not focus on this first? Why go for fancy cameras and apps when we can't even make calls? Looking at your PinePhone.
- ForHackernews 2y ago
  These do (or did) exist: feature phones shipped with FirefoxOS. Almost no one bought them and the effort was widely seen as a failure, although KaiOS enjoys ongoing success in the developing world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Firefox_OS_devices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Firefox_OS_devic... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS
  - rjsw 2y ago
    I am using a KaiOS phone, a Nokia 6300 4G. It works well as a 4G WiFi hotspot for a laptop and as a small phone for making calls and sending texts. Have a few apps on it for mapping as well as using the browser occasionally. The KaiOS WhatsApp app will stop working next year though.
    - normie3000 2y ago
      Wow. Whatsapp struggles on my iphone 13; how's performance on your Nokia?!
      - rjsw 2y ago
        Works fine to receive text messages and a few pictures.
Frenchgeek 2y ago
I can do something not unlike that with the second-hand displaylink adapter I currently have gathering dust... I would just need to install a desktop environment on termux for it to be complete (not sure if I could get 3D acceleration with this). The only real problem there is the adapter I have cannot charge the phone while connected.
fsflover 2y ago
> What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. > > One single integrated experience. Purism achieved that with their Librem 5 phone [0]. However having a polished experience like with iPhone requires to invest billions in software. It can be used as a daily driver [1] but there's a lot to improve yet. Sent from my Librem 5. [0] https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-convergent-welcome-to-the-future/ https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-co... [1] https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/ https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/
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freedomben 2y ago

I agree I would love this option, but how much would you be willing to pay for such a device? Would you pay $800? $1,000? $1,400? That's where I have a hard time. I would pay that kind of money, but I would need something well polished and fully capable of being a "daily driver." I think many people are in the same place I am, and thus we have a real chicken and egg problem here.

ninetyninenine 2y ago
I'd pay up to 3k if it was quality delivered the experience of a top quality phone and a top quality laptop. I mean the technology to do this is already here. If apple or samsung wanted to do this... they can. Right now I use an iphone, but if samsung made a phone that felt like say linux, windows or macos when in laptop mode... I would switch off iphone in a heartbeat. And i mean it has to feel like macOS. None of that bloat is acceptable. SteamOS actually pulls this off but in a gaming form factor.
- michaelmior 2y ago
  > and a top quality laptop. > I mean the technology to do this is already here. I think it really depends on what precisely you mean here. I don't think it's currently possible to get the same performance of my M3 Max MacBook Pro in the form factor of a phone.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
  > And i mean it has to feel like macOS. None of that bloat is acceptable. I suspect that every single thing you like about macOS is something I consider bloat (or would if that was the only related word I was allowed to use). My first task on my recently acquired M3 MBP was to remove/hide/disable as much of macOS as I possibly could; only then can I use it as a productive development environment.
numpad0 2y ago
Microsoft at one point was running full NT on ARM on phones. I think they could've done it within such price range, but didn't.
- toast0 2y ago
  Didn't they? The Lumia 950 launched at about $500ish and supported Continuum. Continuum wasn't exactly full convergence, but it was kind of close. As I recall, they had a desktop dock and a laptop like dock, that you could pair your phone to (wireless or wired). Microsoft was big on their 'universal windows app' concept at the time, where universal meant actually only ran on a small fraction of windows devices. sigh
  - numpad0 2y ago
    aw. I completely forgot about that. Why didn't it just work? Was it... during those "we invest all our cash to everything needed for total Win32 dominance but boldly let it rot in the backlot" days of Microsoft... yes yes it was.
bee_rider 2y ago
Hmm. If I bought a phone for ~$600 and a laptop for ~$1000, I guess I’d pay ~$1700 for the converged device (adding a little bit because of the intangible benefit of not having to manage my files anymore).

riversflow 2y ago

> One single integrated experience. I think everyone wants this This is insane to me. Like not just no. Hell no. I want my phone to be a gadget, like a watch, not a whole ass computer. I want my tablet to be its own thing from my laptop, which is different from my PC(s). I absolutely, positively do NOT want general purpose computing to be the typical paradigm. I don’t want, need, or even like the idea of my phone, that I typically use like a wallet, to be a general purpose computation tool. Lock that shit down, please!

whyowhy3484939 2y ago
But it got electrolytes?
fractallyte 2y ago
Your phone is already a general purpose computer...
ninetyninenine 2y ago
I should never say "everyone" anymore. Because everyone is almost never true. I mean overwhelming majority.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  I think adults should read 'majority' when someone says everyone. I will keep saying it when talking with adults as it is just easier than put all the exceptions; if some people get annoyed by it, that's not really my problem.
  - feetsoup 2y ago
    Alternatively you could use 'most people', or any one of several equivalent expressions, and preserve the meaning of everyone as every one. There is an aroma of manipulation around using language that gives the impression of absolute consensus even if all parties involved understand its vernacular meaning. It's embellishment in service of influencing people and rightly denounced in any context where accurate communication is important.

bsimpson 2y ago

I remember Motorola showing off a concept like this in ~2012.

auguzanellato 2y ago

Asus did that in 2011 with the PadFone, it was an Android mobile phone that you could plug into the provided tabled and then plug a keyboard into that.

ninetyninenine 2y ago
Yeah but it wasn't quality right? I mean the both modes need to have a UX on par with a regular laptop and a high quality phone.
cuu508 2y ago
There was also Motorola Atrix in 2011 with similar idea.

whyowhy3484939 2y ago

> I think everyone wants this. You asked for it. I don't want that. I don't want an "integrated experience" and "flagship quality". The first sounds juvenile and the second sounds unnecessarily expensive and probably containing shit I don't need, like fancy cameras to look good on my nonexistent socials. What I want is a simple, slow, old, efficient, simple phone with the interface of an 80s era 8bit computer that can actually, imagine this, make and, to complicate matters even further, even take calls. I basically want an open source dumb phone. Do these exist? If not, why not focus on this first? Why go for fancy cameras and apps when we can't even make calls? Looking at your PinePhone.

ForHackernews 2y ago
These do (or did) exist: feature phones shipped with FirefoxOS. Almost no one bought them and the effort was widely seen as a failure, although KaiOS enjoys ongoing success in the developing world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Firefox_OS_devices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Firefox_OS_devic... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaiOS
- rjsw 2y ago
  I am using a KaiOS phone, a Nokia 6300 4G. It works well as a 4G WiFi hotspot for a laptop and as a small phone for making calls and sending texts. Have a few apps on it for mapping as well as using the browser occasionally. The KaiOS WhatsApp app will stop working next year though.
  - normie3000 2y ago
    Wow. Whatsapp struggles on my iphone 13; how's performance on your Nokia?!
    - rjsw 2y ago
      Works fine to receive text messages and a few pictures.

Frenchgeek 2y ago

I can do something not unlike that with the second-hand displaylink adapter I currently have gathering dust... I would just need to install a desktop environment on termux for it to be complete (not sure if I could get 3D acceleration with this). The only real problem there is the adapter I have cannot charge the phone while connected.

fsflover 2y ago

> What I want is quality to the level of flagship android phones or the iphone with the ability to plug it in to a keyboard, mouse and screen and have it function as my laptop as well. > > One single integrated experience. Purism achieved that with their Librem 5 phone [0]. However having a polished experience like with iPhone requires to invest billions in software. It can be used as a daily driver [1] but there's a lot to improve yet. Sent from my Librem 5. [0] https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-convergent-welcome-to-the-future/ https://puri.sm/posts/converging-on-convergence-pureos-is-co... [1] https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/ https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/

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