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I'm a bit dumbfounded by the price tag of $189. Am I wrong?

t-3 2y ago
It is a bit pricey, but probably not overpriced. This kind of niche product is not going to get good economies of scale, those custom molded plastic parts are going to get pretty expensive when not being produced by the million.
- Filligree 2y ago
  They do if you insist on molding them, but for small runs 3D printing ought to provide a baseline maximum cost.
- adamyormark 2y ago
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enraged_camel 2y ago
Maybe I’m not the target audience but I wouldn’t pay more than $20 for something like this, because I don’t have a burning need for it.
- adamyormark 2y ago
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mplewis 2y ago
How much do you think it should cost?
- foz 2y ago
  This seems like an item that business would buy in bulk. $180 for single dev version, $90 each in packs of 10. Customized with your company branding maybe.
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madeofpalk 2y ago
This seems like exactly the price I thought it would be. Maybe a bit cheaper to be honest. Those generic "led pixel clock" tend to be about $50-$80 ish, and this looks like a 'nicer' (in some aspects) fancier, more niche version of that.
Justin_K 2y ago
Go build your own for cheaper and see if you can make a living.
mannyv 2y ago
My guess was $150. Producing things costs a surprisingly large amount of money because moqs.
gffrd 2y ago
Price is high … but the right price is the price people are willing to pay. … and people will pay a lot for anything that tickles their idea of self-identity, allows them to project an image they find favorable, but taps in to some core utility that allows you to provide cover for the prior. See: Apple devices, fitness, business conferences, this device.
puzzlingcaptcha 2y ago
Seems like quite a bit of hardware engineering went into the design. But if you are hacker and don't care too much about the aesthetics you could probably get 90% of the functionality with an ESP32, a GPIO extender, an LED array, an OLED display and a 3D printed case for like $30.
- whitehexagon 2y ago
  or maybe a repurposed eWaste phone/tablet, or at this price probably a new phone.
- zeroflow 2y ago
  A few years ago, I built a simpler version of that device myself. As you said: A 90% solution is easy to hack together. I had mine displaying Skype for Business status so my colleagues would know if I was in a call or just listening to music. The harder part or much rather the time consuming part is getting a good status message from the installed apps. It looks like there is plenty of software and APIs available.
- echoangle 2y ago
  Can confirm, here’s a small BOM: 8x 8x8 WS2812 Matrix $2 each = $16 ESP32 $3 1x some acrylic to laser-cut a case in a makerspace $5 So $24 total. The screen would be much larger than the Busy Bar version, which could be a pro or a con, depending on what you want. If you need the smaller back screen (I don’t see the use because I would control it from a computer anyways), that would add another $3 or so. The buttons are basically free but if we assume $3, that’s $30 like you said in total.
  - shadowpho 2y ago
    no, that's not how much that costs at all lol
    - echoangle 2y ago
      Ever been on Aliexpress? I was roughly converting prices from € to $ and adding some spare for tolerance, here’s what I actually paid: LED Matrix: 5 for 6,33€ (that is 1,27€ each) ESP32 C3 Supermini: 3 for 3,56€ (1,19€ each) There’s scrap acrylic at my makerspace so I was guessing, make it 10€ and I’m at 23€ or so. What numbers do you not believe?

t-3 2y ago

It is a bit pricey, but probably not overpriced. This kind of niche product is not going to get good economies of scale, those custom molded plastic parts are going to get pretty expensive when not being produced by the million.

Filligree 2y ago
They do if you insist on molding them, but for small runs 3D printing ought to provide a baseline maximum cost.
adamyormark 2y ago
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enraged_camel 2y ago

Maybe I’m not the target audience but I wouldn’t pay more than $20 for something like this, because I don’t have a burning need for it.

adamyormark 2y ago
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mplewis 2y ago

How much do you think it should cost?

foz 2y ago
This seems like an item that business would buy in bulk. $180 for single dev version, $90 each in packs of 10. Customized with your company branding maybe.

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madeofpalk 2y ago

This seems like exactly the price I thought it would be. Maybe a bit cheaper to be honest. Those generic "led pixel clock" tend to be about $50-$80 ish, and this looks like a 'nicer' (in some aspects) fancier, more niche version of that.

Justin_K 2y ago

Go build your own for cheaper and see if you can make a living.

mannyv 2y ago

My guess was $150. Producing things costs a surprisingly large amount of money because moqs.

gffrd 2y ago

Price is high … but the right price is the price people are willing to pay. … and people will pay a lot for anything that tickles their idea of self-identity, allows them to project an image they find favorable, but taps in to some core utility that allows you to provide cover for the prior. See: Apple devices, fitness, business conferences, this device.

puzzlingcaptcha 2y ago

Seems like quite a bit of hardware engineering went into the design. But if you are hacker and don't care too much about the aesthetics you could probably get 90% of the functionality with an ESP32, a GPIO extender, an LED array, an OLED display and a 3D printed case for like $30.

whitehexagon 2y ago
or maybe a repurposed eWaste phone/tablet, or at this price probably a new phone.
zeroflow 2y ago
A few years ago, I built a simpler version of that device myself. As you said: A 90% solution is easy to hack together. I had mine displaying Skype for Business status so my colleagues would know if I was in a call or just listening to music. The harder part or much rather the time consuming part is getting a good status message from the installed apps. It looks like there is plenty of software and APIs available.
echoangle 2y ago
Can confirm, here’s a small BOM: 8x 8x8 WS2812 Matrix $2 each = $16 ESP32 $3 1x some acrylic to laser-cut a case in a makerspace $5 So $24 total. The screen would be much larger than the Busy Bar version, which could be a pro or a con, depending on what you want. If you need the smaller back screen (I don’t see the use because I would control it from a computer anyways), that would add another $3 or so. The buttons are basically free but if we assume $3, that’s $30 like you said in total.
- shadowpho 2y ago
  no, that's not how much that costs at all lol
  - echoangle 2y ago
    Ever been on Aliexpress? I was roughly converting prices from € to $ and adding some spare for tolerance, here’s what I actually paid: LED Matrix: 5 for 6,33€ (that is 1,27€ each) ESP32 C3 Supermini: 3 for 3,56€ (1,19€ each) There’s scrap acrylic at my makerspace so I was guessing, make it 10€ and I’m at 23€ or so. What numbers do you not believe?