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> I can tell from a mile away that this is written by ChatGPT / Claude, at least partially. Whilst it may smell of ChatGPT/Claude, I think the answer is actual

> I can tell from a mile away that this is written by ChatGPT / Claude, at least partially. Whilst it may smell of ChatGPT/Claude, I think the answer is actually simpler. Look at the authors of the blog, search LinkedIn. They are all based in India, mostly Bangalore. It is therefore more likely to be Indian English. To be absolutely clear, for absolute avoidance of doubt: This is NOT intended a racist comment. Indians clearly speak English fluently. But the style and flow of English is different. Just like it is for US English, Australian English or any other English. I am not remotely saying one English is better than another ! If, like me, you have spent many hours on the phone to Bangalore call-centres, you will recognise many of the stylistic patterns present in the blog text.

brk 2y ago
I agree (I've posted a similar comment in the past and collected a handful of downvotes). Much like ChatGPT, you tend to see a slight over use of more formal and obscure words and a tone that tends to feel like the topic being discussed is being given just a touch too much focus or dedication relative to the grand scheme of things. It is hard to fully describe, more of a "you know it when you see it".
calmoo 2y ago
There's nothing that sticks out to me as obviously Indian English in this blog post. It's almost certainly entirely run through an LLM though.
- antisthenes 2y ago
  If there are large amounts of Indian English in an LLM's training data, it stands to reason the LLM output will be very similar to Indian English, no?
  - calmoo 2y ago
    No, I don't think so. There's nothing Indian English about the blog post. It's just overly verbose, fluffy language.
dr-detroit 2y ago
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620gelato 2y ago
(Speaking as an Indian engineer) Hate to generalize, but this has less to do with "Indian style" but rather adding a lot of fluff to make a problem appear more complex than it is, OR maybe someone set a template that you must write such and such sections, despite there not being relevant content. [ Half the sections from this article could be cut without losing anything ] In this case, the _former_ really shouldn't have been the case. I for one would love to read a whole lot more about rollback planning, traffic shifting, which query patterns saw most improvements, hardware cost optimizations, if any, etc.
excitive 2y ago
Can you elaborate on the last part? What are some stylistic patterns that are different when something is written by a US author v/s Indian?
- traceroute66 2y ago
  > What are some stylistic patterns that are different when something is written by a US author v/s Indian? Largely as @brk above you already mentioned, tendency to use formal and obscure words alongside a specific tone. I'll also re-iterate what @brk said, hard to fully describe, more of a "you know it when you see it". If I had to pick some specific examples from the blog post, the following phrase is a good example: We systematically advanced through each tier, commencing from tier 5 and descending to tier 0. There are 101 ways you could write that in US English, but I reckon 99% of the US population would be unlikely to pick the above unless they were writing an academic paper or something. This one is also quite Indian English in many respects: Our automated alerts and monitoring system actively oversees the process to ensure a seamless transition and promptly alerts of any issues that may arise. Similarly, we have stylistic elements such as the over-breaking of paragraphs to the extent it becomes a series of statements. For example: Upgrading to MySQL 8.0 brought not only new features, but also some unexpected tweaks in query execution plans for certain clusters. This resulted in increased latencies and resource consumption, potentially impacting user experience. This happened for the cluster which powers all the dashboards running at Uber. To address this issue, we collaborated with Percona, identified a patch fix, and successfully implemented it for the affected clusters. The resolution ensured the restoration of optimized query performance and resource efficiency in alignment with the upgraded MySQL version. A relatively short paragraph, but five phrases. Your average US English writer would likely word it differently resulting in it being trimmed down to two or three phrases. As I said in my original post though, none of it is bad English, its just a different style.
- hodgesrm 2y ago
  Not exactly a stylistic difference but there are real differences in the dialects. Here's example from many moons ago: "Even I think that's a bad idea." That was an Indian colleague. It took me weeks to figure out that he was using "even" in place of "also." In a like vein when Australians say "goodeye" they usually aren't talking about your vision.

brk 2y ago

I agree (I've posted a similar comment in the past and collected a handful of downvotes). Much like ChatGPT, you tend to see a slight over use of more formal and obscure words and a tone that tends to feel like the topic being discussed is being given just a touch too much focus or dedication relative to the grand scheme of things. It is hard to fully describe, more of a "you know it when you see it".

calmoo 2y ago

There's nothing that sticks out to me as obviously Indian English in this blog post. It's almost certainly entirely run through an LLM though.

antisthenes 2y ago
If there are large amounts of Indian English in an LLM's training data, it stands to reason the LLM output will be very similar to Indian English, no?
- calmoo 2y ago
  No, I don't think so. There's nothing Indian English about the blog post. It's just overly verbose, fluffy language.

dr-detroit 2y ago

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620gelato 2y ago

(Speaking as an Indian engineer) Hate to generalize, but this has less to do with "Indian style" but rather adding a lot of fluff to make a problem appear more complex than it is, OR maybe someone set a template that you must write such and such sections, despite there not being relevant content. [ Half the sections from this article could be cut without losing anything ] In this case, the _former_ really shouldn't have been the case. I for one would love to read a whole lot more about rollback planning, traffic shifting, which query patterns saw most improvements, hardware cost optimizations, if any, etc.

excitive 2y ago

Can you elaborate on the last part? What are some stylistic patterns that are different when something is written by a US author v/s Indian?

traceroute66 2y ago
> What are some stylistic patterns that are different when something is written by a US author v/s Indian? Largely as @brk above you already mentioned, tendency to use formal and obscure words alongside a specific tone. I'll also re-iterate what @brk said, hard to fully describe, more of a "you know it when you see it". If I had to pick some specific examples from the blog post, the following phrase is a good example: We systematically advanced through each tier, commencing from tier 5 and descending to tier 0. There are 101 ways you could write that in US English, but I reckon 99% of the US population would be unlikely to pick the above unless they were writing an academic paper or something. This one is also quite Indian English in many respects: Our automated alerts and monitoring system actively oversees the process to ensure a seamless transition and promptly alerts of any issues that may arise. Similarly, we have stylistic elements such as the over-breaking of paragraphs to the extent it becomes a series of statements. For example: Upgrading to MySQL 8.0 brought not only new features, but also some unexpected tweaks in query execution plans for certain clusters. This resulted in increased latencies and resource consumption, potentially impacting user experience. This happened for the cluster which powers all the dashboards running at Uber. To address this issue, we collaborated with Percona, identified a patch fix, and successfully implemented it for the affected clusters. The resolution ensured the restoration of optimized query performance and resource efficiency in alignment with the upgraded MySQL version. A relatively short paragraph, but five phrases. Your average US English writer would likely word it differently resulting in it being trimmed down to two or three phrases. As I said in my original post though, none of it is bad English, its just a different style.
hodgesrm 2y ago
Not exactly a stylistic difference but there are real differences in the dialects. Here's example from many moons ago: "Even I think that's a bad idea." That was an Indian colleague. It took me weeks to figure out that he was using "even" in place of "also." In a like vein when Australians say "goodeye" they usually aren't talking about your vision.