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There are some subjects that are personal that no one will be comfortable searching for while its tied to a billing address (i.e. any login). Abortion in some

There are some subjects that are personal that no one will be comfortable searching for while its tied to a billing address (i.e. any login). Abortion in some states for example. It doesn't matter what any company says right now, the position is clear that the tune can and often does change the moment its inconvenient for them. Paying for the privilege of being targeted is crazy talk.

carlosjobim 2y ago
What if you don't care about privacy and only care for search quality? For example, when you're doing work related searches at work on your work device. Is that allowed?
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> while its tied to a billing address (i.e. any login) Total false equivalence. Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. Logins are not identifiable in the way billing addresses are. > doesn't matter what any company says right now, the position is clear that the tune can and often does change the moment its inconvenient for them You think the free engines don't know who you are? [1] https://blog.kagi.com/accepting-paypal-bitcoin https://blog.kagi.com/accepting-paypal-bitcoin
- mossTechnician 2y ago
  If you're a big fan of privacy and Kagi, then I'm not sure if you can appreciate the content of this article. After all, it describes their desire to build a search agent that knows everything about you, from your religion to your politics to your favorite brands.
- trod123 2y ago
  bitcoin is traceable. not a false equivalence at all. Search history is kept tied to a profile/semaphore/data lake and then also tied financially to the way you pay, as well as the devices you use. When data is collected, it will be trolled through for anything and everything. Absence of data is just as unique. The only way is to blend into the masses generically. Free engines have a very hard time differentiating me from the mass of other web traffic. I compile my own browser to make it that way though, even my phone doesn't register an overnight location, and runs GrapheneOS. Importantly this should be a fundamental right of every person not just those that have the money and expertise to enforce it. The data collection shouldn't be allowed, its the equivalent of quartering a digital soldier in every home (something forbidden by the constitution). Any business funded and dependent on arbitrary preferential loans (from the printer, regardless of how indirect) is state-run and nationalized industry, and should be bound by the same constitutional requirements of government. I take my privacy seriously because of my job, and the indisputable fact that sensitive roles get targeted.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > this should be a fundamental right of every person not just those that have the money and expertise to enforce it Sure. But it isn’t, and as long as the choice is free, ad-supported and paid, privacy contractually (but not technically) guaranteed, there is an obvious answer as to where the smart money goes. And that’s before we get to search quality. A unicorn third option would be nice. But if even people who can pay for this aren't willing to, it condemns the idea of a public option in the cradle--it screams people don't value privacy in search enough to a quantifiable degree.
amenhotep 2y ago
People post video evidence of them literally committing felonies to their own personal public social media accounts. I know "no-one" is hyperbole but risk perception and tolerance is much more variable than it would need to be for this to be persuasive.

carlosjobim 2y ago

What if you don't care about privacy and only care for search quality? For example, when you're doing work related searches at work on your work device. Is that allowed?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> while its tied to a billing address (i.e. any login) Total false equivalence. Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. Logins are not identifiable in the way billing addresses are. > doesn't matter what any company says right now, the position is clear that the tune can and often does change the moment its inconvenient for them You think the free engines don't know who you are? [1] https://blog.kagi.com/accepting-paypal-bitcoin https://blog.kagi.com/accepting-paypal-bitcoin

mossTechnician 2y ago
If you're a big fan of privacy and Kagi, then I'm not sure if you can appreciate the content of this article. After all, it describes their desire to build a search agent that knows everything about you, from your religion to your politics to your favorite brands.
trod123 2y ago
bitcoin is traceable. not a false equivalence at all. Search history is kept tied to a profile/semaphore/data lake and then also tied financially to the way you pay, as well as the devices you use. When data is collected, it will be trolled through for anything and everything. Absence of data is just as unique. The only way is to blend into the masses generically. Free engines have a very hard time differentiating me from the mass of other web traffic. I compile my own browser to make it that way though, even my phone doesn't register an overnight location, and runs GrapheneOS. Importantly this should be a fundamental right of every person not just those that have the money and expertise to enforce it. The data collection shouldn't be allowed, its the equivalent of quartering a digital soldier in every home (something forbidden by the constitution). Any business funded and dependent on arbitrary preferential loans (from the printer, regardless of how indirect) is state-run and nationalized industry, and should be bound by the same constitutional requirements of government. I take my privacy seriously because of my job, and the indisputable fact that sensitive roles get targeted.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > this should be a fundamental right of every person not just those that have the money and expertise to enforce it Sure. But it isn’t, and as long as the choice is free, ad-supported and paid, privacy contractually (but not technically) guaranteed, there is an obvious answer as to where the smart money goes. And that’s before we get to search quality. A unicorn third option would be nice. But if even people who can pay for this aren't willing to, it condemns the idea of a public option in the cradle--it screams people don't value privacy in search enough to a quantifiable degree.

amenhotep 2y ago

People post video evidence of them literally committing felonies to their own personal public social media accounts. I know "no-one" is hyperbole but risk perception and tolerance is much more variable than it would need to be for this to be persuasive.