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> I think the web is dead The web cannot 'die'. Everything and everyone moves online. Point one: A return to pre-internet days is not likely. Point two: Wall

> I think the web is dead The web cannot 'die'. Everything and everyone moves online. Point one: A return to pre-internet days is not likely. Point two: Walled gardens had their peak moment. The dangers of everybody relying on them for our entire online existence are more than apparent to anybody with a firing neuron (and despite appearances, our species is not entirely inane). Ergo. The only path is forward, a more sane, less monopolized web. Build it and they will come.

axegon_ 2y ago
The web is very much dead as a matter of fact. I don't think a search engine has he ability to filter out all the LLM garbage that's flooding the internet. Just look at stackoverflow and github. Ever since chatgpt was released, the contributions skyrocketed and the quality dropped off the face of the earth and into a dark oblivion.
- openrisk 2y ago
  what do you mean by "the web"? The web is all the people, companies, public sector etc. that are setting up web servers (whether self-hosted, cloud etc. it doesnt matter). To say that the web is dead means that nobody outside massive social media type sites will still run a server (and SO / github are social media type walled gardens at this point, thats why they get enshittified). But this development would be absurd as a whole. Mind you search engines as we have come to know them might be dead, but thats of their own making. People need to find / communicate useful, truthful information and sooner or later they will get it.
- nextaccountic 2y ago
  We are talking on a website on the web. Not everything needs to go through a search engine.
- bryanrasmussen 2y ago
  >The web is very much dead as a matter of fact. I don't think a search engine has he ability to filter out all the LLM garbage that's flooding the internet. this presupposes the argument that for the web to have value then you must have a search engine to allow you to find things of worth on the web. Which argument you have not made but only taken as a given.

axegon_ 2y ago

The web is very much dead as a matter of fact. I don't think a search engine has he ability to filter out all the LLM garbage that's flooding the internet. Just look at stackoverflow and github. Ever since chatgpt was released, the contributions skyrocketed and the quality dropped off the face of the earth and into a dark oblivion.

openrisk 2y ago
what do you mean by "the web"? The web is all the people, companies, public sector etc. that are setting up web servers (whether self-hosted, cloud etc. it doesnt matter). To say that the web is dead means that nobody outside massive social media type sites will still run a server (and SO / github are social media type walled gardens at this point, thats why they get enshittified). But this development would be absurd as a whole. Mind you search engines as we have come to know them might be dead, but thats of their own making. People need to find / communicate useful, truthful information and sooner or later they will get it.
nextaccountic 2y ago
We are talking on a website on the web. Not everything needs to go through a search engine.
bryanrasmussen 2y ago
>The web is very much dead as a matter of fact. I don't think a search engine has he ability to filter out all the LLM garbage that's flooding the internet. this presupposes the argument that for the web to have value then you must have a search engine to allow you to find things of worth on the web. Which argument you have not made but only taken as a given.