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That's not what Kagi does. Nor does its "Small Web" search mode, as it only searches blogs that have been manually added to a specific GitHub repo (so for most

by sph 2y ago

That's not what Kagi does. Nor does its "Small Web" search mode, as it only searches blogs that have been manually added to a specific GitHub repo (so for most part is a collection of US tech blogs - not very diverse at all) No VC-backed or commercial search engine would do what OP is talking about. But I can see a use for a niche search engine that ranks websites inversely proportional to the number of trackers and ad networks they depend on. Heck, I would pay for that, but I'm a nerd. Maybe marginalia.nu would like this idea.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> not what Kagi does Kagi maintains a "non-commercial index (Teclis) and non-commercial news index (TinyGem)" [1]. They also "prioritize non-commercial sources," implicitly downranking monetized sites. (Also, you can manually downrank problem domains [2].) My devices have randomly switched back to Google or DDG from time to time. The first thing I did was check my ad blocker was working--I was simply stunned by the amount of blogspam puke. > No VC-backed or commercial search engine would do what OP is talking about No ad based, i.e. free, engine can, not sustainably. A paid one obviously can and does. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-quality.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-quality.htm... [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/website-info-personalized-results.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/website-info-personalize...
fintler 2y ago
https://kagi.com/smallweb https://kagi.com/smallweb
freediver 2y ago
> That's not what Kagi does. We do actually. We penalize the sites with a lots of ads/trackers on them in our results and boost non-monetized pages. It is one of the main reasons Kagi reults have a specific 'flavor' to them. (Kagi CEO here)
- sph 2y ago
  You surely have huge exceptions to this rule, or major silos like Reddit, Twitter, StackOverflow, Youtube, Facebook etc. would rank towards the bottom. Which the average Joe wouldn't like, hence my comment that no commercial search engine would implement this feature correctly, on purpose.
  - freediver 2y ago
    Not really exceptions (all treated equally) just there is nuance in the algorithm. Having some ads doesn't mean you go straight to the bottom. And when searching for youtube you clearly want youtube.com - so nuance applied but that is the principle driving it.

by sph 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> not what Kagi does Kagi maintains a "non-commercial index (Teclis) and non-commercial news index (TinyGem)" [1]. They also "prioritize non-commercial sources," implicitly downranking monetized sites. (Also, you can manually downrank problem domains [2].) My devices have randomly switched back to Google or DDG from time to time. The first thing I did was check my ad blocker was working--I was simply stunned by the amount of blogspam puke. > No VC-backed or commercial search engine would do what OP is talking about No ad based, i.e. free, engine can, not sustainably. A paid one obviously can and does. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-quality.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-quality.htm... [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/website-info-personalized-results.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/website-info-personalize...

fintler 2y ago

https://kagi.com/smallweb https://kagi.com/smallweb

freediver 2y ago

> That's not what Kagi does. We do actually. We penalize the sites with a lots of ads/trackers on them in our results and boost non-monetized pages. It is one of the main reasons Kagi reults have a specific 'flavor' to them. (Kagi CEO here)

sph 2y ago
You surely have huge exceptions to this rule, or major silos like Reddit, Twitter, StackOverflow, Youtube, Facebook etc. would rank towards the bottom. Which the average Joe wouldn't like, hence my comment that no commercial search engine would implement this feature correctly, on purpose.
- freediver 2y ago
  Not really exceptions (all treated equally) just there is nuance in the algorithm. Having some ads doesn't mean you go straight to the bottom. And when searching for youtube you clearly want youtube.com - so nuance applied but that is the principle driving it.