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> people today just don't care. When did people 'care'? Complex technologies have always been pushed on people. Regulation, consumer protection etc. is suppose

> people today just don't care. When did people 'care'? Complex technologies have always been pushed on people. Regulation, consumer protection etc. is supposed to be the informed, delegated 'caring' filter. The interesting long-term dynamic is that the problem is self-correcting. If you use amazing technologies to breed masses of addicted, exploited idiots instead of informed empowered citizens, eventually your walled garden will collapse onto itself.

Dalewyn 2y ago
>When did people 'care'? Back when using a computer required having some idea of what was going on. Even if all you really cared about was playing Doom, you still needed to make sense of all those levers with nonsensical labels on them and boy did we figure them out. Mind you, I don't see where we are today as necessarily a bad thing. It's a very good thing that most people can just use a computer as just another tool like a screwdriver or a car. But on the other hand, we've also lost the joys and miseries of getting our hands dirty.
- openrisk 2y ago
  Yes, I also think the phenomenal adoption of computing is fundamentally a good thing as it unlocks new levels for society, at least in principle. In the short term it triggered a race to a low-information, consumerist bottom in many respects (privacy invasion, addictive dark patterns, locked-down platforms, general enshittification etc.). But this state of affairs, while unfortunate and lamentably gross waste, does not feel terminal. It is very unfullfiling beyond superficial sugar rushes and essentially hostile to the user-product being exploited. Especially so for the talented people that itch to get their hands dirty. Informed and able minorities are what moves the needle, not dazed and confused masses. The history of (online) computing does not end here. It is still very early days.

Dalewyn 2y ago

>When did people 'care'? Back when using a computer required having some idea of what was going on. Even if all you really cared about was playing Doom, you still needed to make sense of all those levers with nonsensical labels on them and boy did we figure them out. Mind you, I don't see where we are today as necessarily a bad thing. It's a very good thing that most people can just use a computer as just another tool like a screwdriver or a car. But on the other hand, we've also lost the joys and miseries of getting our hands dirty.

openrisk 2y ago
Yes, I also think the phenomenal adoption of computing is fundamentally a good thing as it unlocks new levels for society, at least in principle. In the short term it triggered a race to a low-information, consumerist bottom in many respects (privacy invasion, addictive dark patterns, locked-down platforms, general enshittification etc.). But this state of affairs, while unfortunate and lamentably gross waste, does not feel terminal. It is very unfullfiling beyond superficial sugar rushes and essentially hostile to the user-product being exploited. Especially so for the talented people that itch to get their hands dirty. Informed and able minorities are what moves the needle, not dazed and confused masses. The history of (online) computing does not end here. It is still very early days.