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> its not because of patriarchy but because of HUGE HUGE empathy gap towards men and boys I recommend you continue reading the article, this is addressed as a

> its not because of patriarchy but because of HUGE HUGE empathy gap towards men and boys I recommend you continue reading the article, this is addressed as a fundamental aspect of the patriarchy and is basically what the entire article is about - the author writes that the patriarchy makes having empathy towards boys and men "gay" and highlights specifically a trans man who at first experienced all the benefits of the patriarchy, such as people finally listening to him when he spoke, and then discovering this exact downside that you listed when his mother died and nobody would comfort him. Nobody had empathy for him. > women are put on a pedestal and protected from all harm This is an odd thing to say considering for example women face more sexual violence than men, whereas men face more of other kinds of violence. It seems our society is simply harming people in different ways. > Let's change the legislation to be gender neutral. The same rights and obligations regarding gender must be guaranteed for everyone. I agree with this, however it's worth noting that because of biological differences, this necessitates for example that States aren't allowed to legislate different kinds of bodily autonomy based on someone's anatomy. Basically, abortion must be legal in this world you envision. > 2. Declare zero tolerance for all violence, regardless of the gender of the perpetrator or victim. So far as I know, in most nations that you as an HN poster are statistically likely to live in, striking someone is assault and is prosecuted. This includes instances of women striking men, if you're operating under the misguided belief that this isn't the case. > 3. Let's invest in men's healthcare as much as women's. I'll do you one better - let's just make it free for everyone :) > Let's tailor the safety net of welfare services to be more suitable for men and accessible to men I love the idea of expanding social services and welfare, I agree, we should do this! > Let's secure the child's right to their parents and treat fathers and mothers as equal parents. This sounds wonderful as well, however I wonder if you'll like how this looks in practice, such as for example in France where paternity tests are often banned since the result of a paternity test can cause great harm to the child (when the non-biological father abandons the kid or whatever). Do you still like this idea? > Let's make the school more suitable for boys, and make education motivating, supportive and encouraging for boys. Is it not already? Well, more funding for education, and an education system that's more motivating, supportive, and encouraging for people sounds wonderful, so agreed, we should do that. > Let men and boys be just beginning, as he himself arranges to be. They are not pressured, let alone forced, into any mold. Including if he wants to be a drag queen, a poet, a stripper, an effeminate model, or androgynous k-pop star, right? If so, we're in full agreement, in that we both agree that we should dismantle the patriarchy. > Declare paper abortion as human right. This doesn't quite make sense since an abortion is entirely a discussion about a woman's bodily autonomy, whereas child support is not a question of men's bodily autonomy. An unfortunate side effect of biology but quite concrete.

XMasFOl 2y ago
Our societies aren't patriarchal but plutocracies which is a HUGE difference. Please learn the difference and stop shouting feminist propaganda. If societies where patriarchal then over 99% of the men wouldn't be on the bottom and women would have much much less rights. Most violence is focused on men (google some studies) and women get lighter sentences and less jail time for same crimes than when done by a man. There is even a "race" difference on if you are black or white skinned and several studies on this. Men are also less likely to talk about sexual violence which skews the statistics towards women. This is also agreed by many scientists who do these studies. Healthcare is already free (minus the basic set amount for all patients in most countries. If you aren't living in one you are most likely living in a third world country). UN Women and other countries are actively campaigning and signing petitions to stop all violence against WOMEN, not that they never talk even for a word about men and boys. This is harmful initself considering more men face day to day violence than women and shows them that they are not considered something worth of protection. Especially by the leaders and just leads to more discourse between genders and pushes men and boys away from current societies to build new ones. Biological differences mean nothing when talking about law. Paper abortion just means the man can write a paper that says he gives all rights to the child away and also has no obligation to the child. It also binds the mother not to inform the child who the father with big enough fine and jail time to to ensure the mans identity is safe and stops the child from getting any inheritance from the biological father. After all we are protecting the man here, not the woman. Father has same amount of time to make their decision starting from the date they have been informed by the woman as a woman would to make the abortion, meaning X weeks. Just simpler for the man since he only needs to write the document and deliver it to the right authorities (most like a social service office). Note that this time only starts from the moment the woman has informed the man of the possible child so even in the case the child was few years old the man would still get the X weeks time. Also the child would not be able to get any inheritance in the case the man dies before he is informed and the X time has passed to ensure there wouldn't be a case where the child automatically in considered the mans child with out his consent. Takes nothing away from the woman and gives a lot to the man. Also treats the woman as an adult who is responsible for their own choice instead of infantalizing them as most feminist seem to want to be treated in this case. Either keep the baby or get an abortion, their choice just like it was the mans choice to not want a child with that specific woman. Also stops toxic women from using babies as a way to drain money from the man in child support payments (which is not a laughing matter) considering many rape victims (young boys) who have been forced to pay to their rapists after coming of age and other men who have never wanted to have a child but were forced to have and pay for one when the woman decided to keep the child. Situations like this could be completely stopped with paper abortions and make both sides responsible for their own decisions.

XMasFOl 2y ago

Our societies aren't patriarchal but plutocracies which is a HUGE difference. Please learn the difference and stop shouting feminist propaganda. If societies where patriarchal then over 99% of the men wouldn't be on the bottom and women would have much much less rights. Most violence is focused on men (google some studies) and women get lighter sentences and less jail time for same crimes than when done by a man. There is even a "race" difference on if you are black or white skinned and several studies on this. Men are also less likely to talk about sexual violence which skews the statistics towards women. This is also agreed by many scientists who do these studies. Healthcare is already free (minus the basic set amount for all patients in most countries. If you aren't living in one you are most likely living in a third world country). UN Women and other countries are actively campaigning and signing petitions to stop all violence against WOMEN, not that they never talk even for a word about men and boys. This is harmful initself considering more men face day to day violence than women and shows them that they are not considered something worth of protection. Especially by the leaders and just leads to more discourse between genders and pushes men and boys away from current societies to build new ones. Biological differences mean nothing when talking about law. Paper abortion just means the man can write a paper that says he gives all rights to the child away and also has no obligation to the child. It also binds the mother not to inform the child who the father with big enough fine and jail time to to ensure the mans identity is safe and stops the child from getting any inheritance from the biological father. After all we are protecting the man here, not the woman. Father has same amount of time to make their decision starting from the date they have been informed by the woman as a woman would to make the abortion, meaning X weeks. Just simpler for the man since he only needs to write the document and deliver it to the right authorities (most like a social service office). Note that this time only starts from the moment the woman has informed the man of the possible child so even in the case the child was few years old the man would still get the X weeks time. Also the child would not be able to get any inheritance in the case the man dies before he is informed and the X time has passed to ensure there wouldn't be a case where the child automatically in considered the mans child with out his consent. Takes nothing away from the woman and gives a lot to the man. Also treats the woman as an adult who is responsible for their own choice instead of infantalizing them as most feminist seem to want to be treated in this case. Either keep the baby or get an abortion, their choice just like it was the mans choice to not want a child with that specific woman. Also stops toxic women from using babies as a way to drain money from the man in child support payments (which is not a laughing matter) considering many rape victims (young boys) who have been forced to pay to their rapists after coming of age and other men who have never wanted to have a child but were forced to have and pay for one when the woman decided to keep the child. Situations like this could be completely stopped with paper abortions and make both sides responsible for their own decisions.