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Modern early puberty is a total fallacy. Basic research shows the age as being 10-17 depending on nutrition and the environment. For thousands of years. Articl

Modern early puberty is a total fallacy. Basic research shows the age as being 10-17 depending on nutrition and the environment. For thousands of years. Article: Children are entering puberty younger than before, according to recent studies, raising concerns that childhood obesity and hormone-contaminated water supplies may be to blame. However, our archaeological research suggests that there’s nothing to worry about. Children in medieval England entered puberty between 10 and 12 years of age – the same as today. In England, just before the industrial revolution, historical sources suggest menarche occurred between 12-14 years. By the 1840s, girls had their first period between 14-17 years. Author: Mary Lewis Associate Professor in Bioarcheology, University of Reading And that's not to negate Tiktok/Bytedance's negatives.

pfannkuchen 2y ago
Head: meet sand So what if it’s caused by changes in nutrition? That has no impact on the practical effects of the change. Average height has increased significantly due to nutrition. Would you say that modern height increases are a total fallacy? I’m not making any claims about chemicals or whatever people on the internet often ramble about.
tivert 2y ago
>> Historically, I believe puberty roughly coincided with the age of marriage for girls. > In England, just before the industrial revolution, historical sources suggest menarche occurred between 12-14 years. By the 1840s, girls had their first period between 14-17 years. And just to point out another factual error in the OP's post, those women were also getting married in their mid-to-late 20s back then: https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/07/11/what-age-did-people-marry/ https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/07/11/what-age-d...: > In fact, the majority of women and men married considerably older than [their teens] in the past. The graph below shows the average age at marriage over the long sweep of English and Welsh history. Apart from a few decades in the early 1800s, the only time since 1550 that the average age of first marriage for women fell below age 24 was during the baby boom of the 1950s and 1960s.
- recursivecaveat 2y ago
  Thanks for posting that. I always thought Europeans before widespread secondary education usually got married in their late teens or so. Its good to have my misconception corrected.
- moi2388 2y ago
  Well, that’s interesting. I really had no idea. Perhaps Romeo and Juliet had a bit too much influence on my historical perspective :,)
  - tivert 2y ago
    > Perhaps Romeo and Juliet had a bit too much influence on my historical perspective :,) And royalty/nobility. It mentions that marriage ages for them were younger. Which makes sense, because my understanding is those weddings were political and royalty would obviously not suffer the same economic pressures as the lower classes.

pfannkuchen 2y ago

Head: meet sand So what if it’s caused by changes in nutrition? That has no impact on the practical effects of the change. Average height has increased significantly due to nutrition. Would you say that modern height increases are a total fallacy? I’m not making any claims about chemicals or whatever people on the internet often ramble about.

tivert 2y ago

>> Historically, I believe puberty roughly coincided with the age of marriage for girls. > In England, just before the industrial revolution, historical sources suggest menarche occurred between 12-14 years. By the 1840s, girls had their first period between 14-17 years. And just to point out another factual error in the OP's post, those women were also getting married in their mid-to-late 20s back then: https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/07/11/what-age-did-people-marry/ https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/07/11/what-age-d...: > In fact, the majority of women and men married considerably older than [their teens] in the past. The graph below shows the average age at marriage over the long sweep of English and Welsh history. Apart from a few decades in the early 1800s, the only time since 1550 that the average age of first marriage for women fell below age 24 was during the baby boom of the 1950s and 1960s.

recursivecaveat 2y ago
Thanks for posting that. I always thought Europeans before widespread secondary education usually got married in their late teens or so. Its good to have my misconception corrected.
moi2388 2y ago
Well, that’s interesting. I really had no idea. Perhaps Romeo and Juliet had a bit too much influence on my historical perspective :,)
- tivert 2y ago
  > Perhaps Romeo and Juliet had a bit too much influence on my historical perspective :,) And royalty/nobility. It mentions that marriage ages for them were younger. Which makes sense, because my understanding is those weddings were political and royalty would obviously not suffer the same economic pressures as the lower classes.