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we've come full circle - macromedia dreamweaver had this in 2001
by whalesalad 2y ago
we've come full circle - macromedia dreamweaver had this in 2001
- boredemployee 2y agothats exactly what I thought, I'm old enough to even remember Netscape Composer. I was 10 y/o when used it lol
- roywashere 2y agoHot Dog from Sausage Software
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y agoYes, but Dreamweaver had the render broken since about 2001 (I don't know the actual date, mine is a joke). Vs code being chromium means actual browser rendering
- JBiserkov 2y agoWell, Visual Studio 6.0's Visual Interdev (1998) had actual browser rendering (via the Trident engine used in Internet Explorer I assume), including Java applets, which would run in the "Quick view" mode, but also amazingly in the Source [code] mode!
- the_mitsuhiko 2y agoMozilla Composer also existed and is the root of a lot of WSISWYG editors today because of the legacy it and others left in the HTML spec (content editable).
- zeroq 2y agoWait till you hear about Typescript, you know adding types to ECMAScript, like Macromedia did some 20 years ago. :) Being in the industry for 20+ years and starting as a teenager making games in Flash it makes really hard for me to treat webdev seriously with all their revolutionary innovations. At work I often encounter a resistance to a tech or solution I propose, because "there hasen't been any substational contribution to the repository in a week, seems dead to me". To which I kindly respond with a question - how do you calculate hypotenuse, because it's been a long time since Pythagoras made the last commit. Meanwhile, some of my friends are still doing side jobs using CakePHP, 20 years later. :)
- asdf000333 2y agoI'm glad to have mostly avoided frontend dev, but we've also had some bonkers backend trends like SOAP. It was like closing your eyes and wishing for a full-stack impl to appear if you write enough XML.
- zeroq 2y agoActually, one of the things I miss the most from AS is... E4X. I work with ton of json, including hundreds of kubernetes definitions per project, and I really miss the ability to parse the data so swiftly and effective with native syntax.
- asdf000333 2y agoI've never used E4X, but it at least looks like it'd make XML more tolerable. Most XML experience I had was ejabberd and XMPP. Was thoroughly pissed off by the end of it. We ended up sending JSON over IQ messages instead because we were super done with XML, only to find that iOS's XML parser takes O(N^2) time to parse each element. Had to split the elements to make it work. 0/10 would not recommend.
- zeroq 2y agohaha, reminds me of the GTA parser drama :)
- asdf000333 2y agoThis? https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times-by-70/ https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times... LOL
- mickael 2y agoI have been using an event XML parser to process XML on iOS (such as expat). You can processed the XML as a stream and it is very efficient.
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- dcreater 2y agoI was so excited when I first discovered Dreamweaver and was gonna make so many great websites. ironically my Engineering degree program had other thoughts
- zarmin 2y agoDon't forget Microsoft Frontpage
- RockRobotRock 2y agoWhen I was young, I learned HTML with Nvu, if anyone else remembers that.
- kmarc 2y agoI do! Wow, what a flashback. I think it was formed from Mozilla's built in editor, and later on died quite quickly and was forked under a different name, which, in turn, died quickly.
- block_dagger 2y agoCame in to post something similar. Dreamweaver was where my pro web life began. I want the WYSIWYG idea to work, but with the complexity of responsive design with modern css, I don’t see the model working well, at least in my workflow.
- coding123 2y agoAnyone here remember homesite?
- BozeWolf 2y agoAh yes! And HotDog html editor from “sausage software”.
- Popeyes 2y agoWe still use Dreamweaver just because you can drop well structured Word documents in and get a decent HTML document out of it. Still not found a better process really.