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Apple consolidating with Yahoo would create a formidable force, but it's likely not a relationship that is likely to work. The two companies have different styl

Apple consolidating with Yahoo would create a formidable force, but it's likely not a relationship that is likely to work. The two companies have different styles, they have different markets, they have very little in common. A merger makes sense when the two companies together will function better than if they were separate - Apple can bring little to Yahoo and Yahoo can bring little to Apple. These are public companies, if you want a piece of them, go buy shares in both of equal amount. If you merge two car companies, a lot can be done - designers can be exchanged, common engine platforms can be developed and so on. There is a clear advantage to such a merger. But Apple and Yahoo? What will an OS developer do with a bunch of YUI developers? How will Apples experience designing a music player help with Yahoo Mail? Just because companies are known brands does not mean they should marry. Stop treating companies like they were Hollywood stars and speculating about who is in bed with whom, and who should finally hook up because they would soo fit with each other.

mseebach 18y ago
Google Android is about to kick the iPhone's ass. If Apple don't integrate vertically, they're going to be just a computer manufacturer - a really good one, but just that. They've had a taste of the vertical with iTunes music and app Stores and both have seriously limited business models. As the music industry opens up, any media player can integrate a music store, and in the long term, the market isn't going to accept a monopolistic distribution channel of software. Absolutely, there are a few ?'s in business model before the profit. But basically to compete with a Google+hardware business, there's only Yahoo+hardware, and if that hardware is Apple, it looks really attractive.
- mechanical_fish 18y ago
  Google Android is about to kick the iPhone's ass. AFAIK there are no hard Android sales figures yet. Android's manufacturer predicted "more than 600,000" unit sales in 2008 (representing about 2-3 months of sales, from launch to end-of-year, spanning the Christmas season): http://www.mercurynews.com/businessheadlines/ci_10799172 http://www.mercurynews.com/businessheadlines/ci_10799172 Meanwhile Apple sold 6.9 million iPhones in the fourth quarter ending Sept 27, plus 11 million iPods, some of which were iPod Touch units: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/10/21results.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/10/21results.html Note that very few people shop for Christmas before September. Wake Steve Jobs up when these numbers are closer. Meanwhile, if the "monopolistic distribution channel" of iPhone software ever becomes a serious handicap to Apple's sales, Apple will just end it, overnight. [1] They could open up the iPhone distribution model within a handful of weeks if they wanted to. It's mostly a policy decision. So I wouldn't build my business on the assumption that Apple is going to blindly follow their old path until it dooms them. --- [1] They've already shown signs of trying to do this with their music store. Apple sells DRM-free music from many labels and has publicly stated that they'd like to do so with all the labels. The likely reason why they don't is that the labels won't let them. The music labels are trying to use DRM-free music to grow Apple's competitors in a desperate attempt to prevent Apple from consolidating its dominance of paid music distribution. Such machinations aren't a consideration for iPhone software. The only reason Apple runs a closed iPhone software store is that they think it works better.
  - mseebach 18y ago
    > AFAIK there are no hard Android sales figures yet. No, and that wasn't my point, although I did hide that pretty well. See my answer to pxlpshr. > Meanwhile, if the "monopolistic distribution channel" of iPhone software ever becomes a serious handicap to Apple's sales, Apple will just end it, overnight. Yeah, and if they do, they're out of the vertically integrated business, and back at "just" being a very good hardware company. That's not necessarily a bad place to be, but I'm arguing that there are indeed synergies between Apple and Yahoo in a vertical integration that can actually be a real competitor to Google.
- pxlpshr 18y ago
  Hahahah, Android is NOT kicking (nor about to kick) iPhone's ass... some of you early adopters need to stick your head out of the tech bubble and breath a little consumer reality.
  - mseebach 18y ago
    I don't own an iPhone, and I don't own an Android phone. Android kicking the iPhones ass was a hyperbole, but I do believe that the business model of the Android is better in the long term. In a few years there are, with a little luck, 10-15 different Android models, and just a few variations on the iPhone. Variation, options and non-vendor-lockin are good selling points.
    - jodrellblank 18y ago
      It's the variation and options that really drove Linux to the desktop during the 2000's. Everywhere I go, people ask me, disappointedly, why there are only half a dozen filesystems to choose from and expressing their sadness that a mere week of experimenting will do to pick between KDE/Gnome/fvwm/blackbox/etc. (You did note the recent news that Apple passed RIM (Blackberry) and Motorola to become the second most popular smartphone make, with just two the two very similar iPhone models?)
      - thwarted 18y ago
        Does this apply with the cell phone handset market? A market that has been trained, from the beginning, based on differentiation of both crappy hardware and crappy software options AND on the lack of true portability of data and apps? It becomes easier to test out new hardware without having to test out new software and lose all your data (contacts, content, apps) at the same time. People seem to instantly get "If someone doesn't like the address book on an Android phone, there's at least the capability to replace it with something else that someone else wrote" (I think people see the value in this because the address book functionality on handsets is, in general, REALLY crappy) -- this feature has not existed, short of potentially second class Java apps that are difficult to acquire and install, on any other handset previously. The variations and options of Android will appeal to people who did not previously consider themselves to be members of the smart phone demographic. Android has the potential to put a smart phone in the hands of these people. And this market is, ultimately, larger than the potential iPhone market, what with more hardware and service vendors.
- chollida1 18y ago
  > If Apple don't integrate vertically What do you mean by this? I'd say Apple is one of the most vertically integrated tech company I know. They don't just do their software, they do their hardware as well.
- markessien 18y ago
  The Android is about to kick nobody ass. In case you didn't get the memo, Android on mobile phones kinda flopped. With Android, Google is being slow as hell, and this is killing them. Maybe Android for Netbooks has a future, but Android for phones will be in use mainly by cheap taiwanese phones.

mseebach 18y ago

Google Android is about to kick the iPhone's ass. If Apple don't integrate vertically, they're going to be just a computer manufacturer - a really good one, but just that. They've had a taste of the vertical with iTunes music and app Stores and both have seriously limited business models. As the music industry opens up, any media player can integrate a music store, and in the long term, the market isn't going to accept a monopolistic distribution channel of software. Absolutely, there are a few ?'s in business model before the profit. But basically to compete with a Google+hardware business, there's only Yahoo+hardware, and if that hardware is Apple, it looks really attractive.

mechanical_fish 18y ago
Google Android is about to kick the iPhone's ass. AFAIK there are no hard Android sales figures yet. Android's manufacturer predicted "more than 600,000" unit sales in 2008 (representing about 2-3 months of sales, from launch to end-of-year, spanning the Christmas season): http://www.mercurynews.com/businessheadlines/ci_10799172 http://www.mercurynews.com/businessheadlines/ci_10799172 Meanwhile Apple sold 6.9 million iPhones in the fourth quarter ending Sept 27, plus 11 million iPods, some of which were iPod Touch units: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/10/21results.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/10/21results.html Note that very few people shop for Christmas before September. Wake Steve Jobs up when these numbers are closer. Meanwhile, if the "monopolistic distribution channel" of iPhone software ever becomes a serious handicap to Apple's sales, Apple will just end it, overnight. [1] They could open up the iPhone distribution model within a handful of weeks if they wanted to. It's mostly a policy decision. So I wouldn't build my business on the assumption that Apple is going to blindly follow their old path until it dooms them. --- [1] They've already shown signs of trying to do this with their music store. Apple sells DRM-free music from many labels and has publicly stated that they'd like to do so with all the labels. The likely reason why they don't is that the labels won't let them. The music labels are trying to use DRM-free music to grow Apple's competitors in a desperate attempt to prevent Apple from consolidating its dominance of paid music distribution. Such machinations aren't a consideration for iPhone software. The only reason Apple runs a closed iPhone software store is that they think it works better.
- mseebach 18y ago
  > AFAIK there are no hard Android sales figures yet. No, and that wasn't my point, although I did hide that pretty well. See my answer to pxlpshr. > Meanwhile, if the "monopolistic distribution channel" of iPhone software ever becomes a serious handicap to Apple's sales, Apple will just end it, overnight. Yeah, and if they do, they're out of the vertically integrated business, and back at "just" being a very good hardware company. That's not necessarily a bad place to be, but I'm arguing that there are indeed synergies between Apple and Yahoo in a vertical integration that can actually be a real competitor to Google.
pxlpshr 18y ago
Hahahah, Android is NOT kicking (nor about to kick) iPhone's ass... some of you early adopters need to stick your head out of the tech bubble and breath a little consumer reality.
- mseebach 18y ago
  I don't own an iPhone, and I don't own an Android phone. Android kicking the iPhones ass was a hyperbole, but I do believe that the business model of the Android is better in the long term. In a few years there are, with a little luck, 10-15 different Android models, and just a few variations on the iPhone. Variation, options and non-vendor-lockin are good selling points.
  - jodrellblank 18y ago
    It's the variation and options that really drove Linux to the desktop during the 2000's. Everywhere I go, people ask me, disappointedly, why there are only half a dozen filesystems to choose from and expressing their sadness that a mere week of experimenting will do to pick between KDE/Gnome/fvwm/blackbox/etc. (You did note the recent news that Apple passed RIM (Blackberry) and Motorola to become the second most popular smartphone make, with just two the two very similar iPhone models?)
    - thwarted 18y ago
      Does this apply with the cell phone handset market? A market that has been trained, from the beginning, based on differentiation of both crappy hardware and crappy software options AND on the lack of true portability of data and apps? It becomes easier to test out new hardware without having to test out new software and lose all your data (contacts, content, apps) at the same time. People seem to instantly get "If someone doesn't like the address book on an Android phone, there's at least the capability to replace it with something else that someone else wrote" (I think people see the value in this because the address book functionality on handsets is, in general, REALLY crappy) -- this feature has not existed, short of potentially second class Java apps that are difficult to acquire and install, on any other handset previously. The variations and options of Android will appeal to people who did not previously consider themselves to be members of the smart phone demographic. Android has the potential to put a smart phone in the hands of these people. And this market is, ultimately, larger than the potential iPhone market, what with more hardware and service vendors.
chollida1 18y ago
> If Apple don't integrate vertically What do you mean by this? I'd say Apple is one of the most vertically integrated tech company I know. They don't just do their software, they do their hardware as well.
markessien 18y ago
The Android is about to kick nobody ass. In case you didn't get the memo, Android on mobile phones kinda flopped. With Android, Google is being slow as hell, and this is killing them. Maybe Android for Netbooks has a future, but Android for phones will be in use mainly by cheap taiwanese phones.