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Maybe - $20k is a bit steep, but I would certainly pay a large premium to have my housework done without needing to employ a stranger to actually work in my hom

by Tycho 2y ago

Maybe - $20k is a bit steep, but I would certainly pay a large premium to have my housework done without needing to employ a stranger to actually work in my home.

jononor 2y ago
You would rather employ 1k strangers - who are on the other side of an Internet connection - but still control a physical robot in your home that can observe and carry out any action that a human could do? In what way is it actually better?
- Tycho 2y ago
  The robot can’t take anything out of the home or bring anything into it. The operators are not locals with any connection to the local community. They don’t need a key to my property.
- codetrotter 2y ago
  You could geofence the robot with indoor positioning so that even if the operator tries to open a window or a door for accomplices, the robot would not be able to reach any doors and windows. You could also have separately controlled curtains and blinds, and before the operator connects to your robots all of those are closed. Now the remote human has no way to even see out of the windows to tell where your house is at. Vs a real life human stranger in your house that could steal stuff and let accomplices into the house.
  - skeledrew 2y ago
    Far easier to have activity monitoring and logging, alerting and pausing on anything suspicious. The rogue operator will then be investigated and terminated, or even arrested, if need be.
- valval 2y ago
  This is just a strawman. Tesla is developing an autonomous robot, not a remote controlled one.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    It’s not obvious that they have any chance of delivering an autonomous robot
    - valval 2y ago
      Why not? Because they’re going to run out of money before the development is complete? Because developing such product is impossible?
      - jncfhnb 2y ago
        Because it’s a difficult, unsolved problem and there’s no evidence that they are making progress on it.
olyjohn 2y ago
I'd rather have specialized robots that do a particular thing well, rather than some crappy humanoid robot that can't do anything well. Being humanoid shaped just limits them to being worse than humans at human things. I already have a dish washing robot. And one that washes and dries my clothes. Can you imagine if you had a humanoid robot that was in your laundry room scrubbing your clothes manually in a tub and then taking them out and hanging them up on clothes lines? That is what you get with humanoid robots. Would you rather have a tiny vacuum that parks itself in the corner and disappears, or some 6 foot tall thing with arms and legs pushing your Hoover around all day?
- Merik 2y ago
  Folding, sorting, and putting away clothes is a time consuming daily task in a house with young kids, that cant be done by any robot that isn’t humanoid. Clearing the table, scraping dirty plates, putting condiments back in the fridge, packing away uneaten food as left overs, rinsing the dishes, loading the dishwasher efficiently, then unloading the dishes and putting them all away in the arbitrary places the go, are all tasks to that cant be done by any robot that isn’t humanoid in nature in some way. The amount of pen caps, dropped food, discarded clothes, school bags, shoes, partially assembled legos, couch cushions, books, and other random bulky items that end up on the floor of a house with young kids makes the idea of robotic floor cleaning being a solved problem laughable. My assumption is that an Optimus home assistant will be an order of magnitude cheaper than manual labour, which means it will be accessible to people who can’t currently afford a cleaner/maid but whose lives would be improved by having help with the daily workload of life. This brings up two thoughts, I wonder if the advent of robots will lead to more gender equality as women currently bear the a significantly higher percentage of the domestic work load. Also, autonomous robots are going to make even harder to convince my kids to clean up after themselves :)
  - swores 2y ago
    > "Folding, sorting, and putting away clothes is a time consuming daily task in a house with young kids, that cant be done by any robot that isn’t humanoid." I don't understand what about that task needs it to be humanoid? It obviously needs various abilities that humans have - being able to move around, being able to control multiple "limbs" to manipulate the clothes, etc. But why couldn't it look like R2-D2 rather than C-3PO? Why couldn't it be a flying drone that has 4 clothes-folding arms? Or... whatever non-humanoid design could be conceived that works best? The only "need" for it being humanoid would be if the kids (or adults, or animals) found it more acceptable to be around.

by Tycho 2y ago

Maybe - $20k is a bit steep, but I would certainly pay a large premium to have my housework done without needing to employ a stranger to actually work in my home.

jononor 2y ago

You would rather employ 1k strangers - who are on the other side of an Internet connection - but still control a physical robot in your home that can observe and carry out any action that a human could do? In what way is it actually better?

Tycho 2y ago
The robot can’t take anything out of the home or bring anything into it. The operators are not locals with any connection to the local community. They don’t need a key to my property.
codetrotter 2y ago
You could geofence the robot with indoor positioning so that even if the operator tries to open a window or a door for accomplices, the robot would not be able to reach any doors and windows. You could also have separately controlled curtains and blinds, and before the operator connects to your robots all of those are closed. Now the remote human has no way to even see out of the windows to tell where your house is at. Vs a real life human stranger in your house that could steal stuff and let accomplices into the house.
- skeledrew 2y ago
  Far easier to have activity monitoring and logging, alerting and pausing on anything suspicious. The rogue operator will then be investigated and terminated, or even arrested, if need be.
valval 2y ago
This is just a strawman. Tesla is developing an autonomous robot, not a remote controlled one.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  It’s not obvious that they have any chance of delivering an autonomous robot
  - valval 2y ago
    Why not? Because they’re going to run out of money before the development is complete? Because developing such product is impossible?
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      Because it’s a difficult, unsolved problem and there’s no evidence that they are making progress on it.

olyjohn 2y ago

I'd rather have specialized robots that do a particular thing well, rather than some crappy humanoid robot that can't do anything well. Being humanoid shaped just limits them to being worse than humans at human things. I already have a dish washing robot. And one that washes and dries my clothes. Can you imagine if you had a humanoid robot that was in your laundry room scrubbing your clothes manually in a tub and then taking them out and hanging them up on clothes lines? That is what you get with humanoid robots. Would you rather have a tiny vacuum that parks itself in the corner and disappears, or some 6 foot tall thing with arms and legs pushing your Hoover around all day?

Merik 2y ago
Folding, sorting, and putting away clothes is a time consuming daily task in a house with young kids, that cant be done by any robot that isn’t humanoid. Clearing the table, scraping dirty plates, putting condiments back in the fridge, packing away uneaten food as left overs, rinsing the dishes, loading the dishwasher efficiently, then unloading the dishes and putting them all away in the arbitrary places the go, are all tasks to that cant be done by any robot that isn’t humanoid in nature in some way. The amount of pen caps, dropped food, discarded clothes, school bags, shoes, partially assembled legos, couch cushions, books, and other random bulky items that end up on the floor of a house with young kids makes the idea of robotic floor cleaning being a solved problem laughable. My assumption is that an Optimus home assistant will be an order of magnitude cheaper than manual labour, which means it will be accessible to people who can’t currently afford a cleaner/maid but whose lives would be improved by having help with the daily workload of life. This brings up two thoughts, I wonder if the advent of robots will lead to more gender equality as women currently bear the a significantly higher percentage of the domestic work load. Also, autonomous robots are going to make even harder to convince my kids to clean up after themselves :)
- swores 2y ago
  > "Folding, sorting, and putting away clothes is a time consuming daily task in a house with young kids, that cant be done by any robot that isn’t humanoid." I don't understand what about that task needs it to be humanoid? It obviously needs various abilities that humans have - being able to move around, being able to control multiple "limbs" to manipulate the clothes, etc. But why couldn't it look like R2-D2 rather than C-3PO? Why couldn't it be a flying drone that has 4 clothes-folding arms? Or... whatever non-humanoid design could be conceived that works best? The only "need" for it being humanoid would be if the kids (or adults, or animals) found it more acceptable to be around.