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Do they worry about any issues of the debris winding up in the hands of China or Russia? I would imagine the raptor engines are mostly intact.

by t1234s 2y ago

rapsey 2y ago
You think there are Russian submarines in the gulf of mexico?
- eqvinox 2y ago
  They splashed down in the Indian Ocean, not the Gulf of Mexico. Also noone mentioned submarines, debris can just float and drift around (sometimes even at some depth below the surface).
- Denvercoder9 2y ago
  Starship landed in the Indian Ocean, not the Gulf of Mexico.
- perihelions 2y ago
  I mean, yes [0]. It's probably the main reason SpaceX went to effort to recover [1] all the engines of the previous booster (IFT-4), which landed in accessible, shallow water in the Gulf of Mexico. The Raptor engines hold valuable secrets, particularly to China who are trying to clone a lot of SpaceX things. The CIA did something very similar to this in the Cold War [2], though they used a boat instead of a submarine. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula-class_submarine#Operational_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula-class_submarine#Operatio... ("In August 2012, the news media reported that another Akula-class submarine operated in the Gulf of Mexico purportedly undetected for over a month, sparking controversy within U.S. military and political circles...") [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1fvdekt/more_images_from_b11_recovery_new_info_26_of_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1fvdekt/more_... ("More images from B11 recovery + new info "26 of the Raptors have been recovered but they are trying to get all 33") [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian
phkahler 2y ago
Was the explosion intentional? I thought they were hoping it would float for recovery but if not I makes sense to sink it.
renewiltord 2y ago
Do they have the ability? Russia couldn’t get Kursk back. Not clear they could even do it if we left it there.
- eqvinox 2y ago
  It's more of a financial question, do you want to shell out for some chance at it. And Russia and China can build their own engines, SpaceX is very good but not like a century ahead good. (If anything, I'd be more worried about North Korea or Pakistan getting their hands on stuff…) Either way the risk is the shit that's left floating, if they don't fish it out it'll randomly wash up in Madagascar or so…

Do they worry about any issues of the debris winding up in the hands of China or Russia? I would imagine the raptor engines are mostly intact.

by t1234s 2y ago

Do they worry about any issues of the debris winding up in the hands of China or Russia? I would imagine the raptor engines are mostly intact.

rapsey 2y ago

You think there are Russian submarines in the gulf of mexico?

eqvinox 2y ago
They splashed down in the Indian Ocean, not the Gulf of Mexico. Also noone mentioned submarines, debris can just float and drift around (sometimes even at some depth below the surface).
Denvercoder9 2y ago
Starship landed in the Indian Ocean, not the Gulf of Mexico.
perihelions 2y ago
I mean, yes [0]. It's probably the main reason SpaceX went to effort to recover [1] all the engines of the previous booster (IFT-4), which landed in accessible, shallow water in the Gulf of Mexico. The Raptor engines hold valuable secrets, particularly to China who are trying to clone a lot of SpaceX things. The CIA did something very similar to this in the Cold War [2], though they used a boat instead of a submarine. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula-class_submarine#Operational_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula-class_submarine#Operatio... ("In August 2012, the news media reported that another Akula-class submarine operated in the Gulf of Mexico purportedly undetected for over a month, sparking controversy within U.S. military and political circles...") [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1fvdekt/more_images_from_b11_recovery_new_info_26_of_the/ https://old.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1fvdekt/more_... ("More images from B11 recovery + new info "26 of the Raptors have been recovered but they are trying to get all 33") [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

phkahler 2y ago

Was the explosion intentional? I thought they were hoping it would float for recovery but if not I makes sense to sink it.

renewiltord 2y ago

Do they have the ability? Russia couldn’t get Kursk back. Not clear they could even do it if we left it there.

eqvinox 2y ago
It's more of a financial question, do you want to shell out for some chance at it. And Russia and China can build their own engines, SpaceX is very good but not like a century ahead good. (If anything, I'd be more worried about North Korea or Pakistan getting their hands on stuff…) Either way the risk is the shit that's left floating, if they don't fish it out it'll randomly wash up in Madagascar or so…