It's been my experience they're kept in the dark by Product, on purpose. So no wonder when they're bored they just do what they can in their little box, disconn

It's been my experience they're kept in the dark by Product, on purpose. So no wonder when they're bored they just do what they can in their little box, disconnected from the business Very much a "developers do the Jira tickets I create, that's it" kind of mentality in most PMs I've ever met