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That is like saying that with pig factory farming (aka intensive pig farming) you can produce far more meat per square foot than with organic pig farming and th

by jansan 2y ago

That is like saying that with pig factory farming (aka intensive pig farming) you can produce far more meat per square foot than with organic pig farming and therefore it must be better.

throw0101c 2y ago
> […] and therefore it must be better. Yes, it is better from a capacity point of view. If you have a linear path that is x metres wide, and you want/need to move a certain number of people, not-cars will move more people: * https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Corridor_Capacity_and_Infrastructure_Costs.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Corridor... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis–Mogridge_position https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis–Mogridge_position Or, from another perspective, you have a budget of $/€ y for transportation, what mode of transportation will allow you to move the most people for that money? Unless you believe in MMT, government budgets are a finite resource, so how do we get the most bang for our buck? Certainly you need some roads as vehicles such as trucks (UK: lorries) are very handy for society in running the economy. I myself own a car, a motorcycle, a bicycle, and have a transit pass (though I can use debit/credit tap-to-pay) and use each mode when appropriate. But the overemphasis on automobiles—specifically for private transportation—is suffocating the availability for other options. To go back to your analogy: if you have a starving population, then factory farming is better because you can provide more calories to more people (and probably at lower cost). In that case organic is worse because you may be sacrificing people's well-being by not having enough capacity. Once you solve your first problem (enough calories/capacity), then you have the luxury of other considerations.
KptMarchewa 2y ago
Obviously it is better. The better alternative to intensive animal husbandry is not eating meat (or other animal products, but in a lesser way) than greenwashing via "organic" designation.

by jansan 2y ago

That is like saying that with pig factory farming (aka intensive pig farming) you can produce far more meat per square foot than with organic pig farming and therefore it must be better.

throw0101c 2y ago

> […] and therefore it must be better. Yes, it is better from a capacity point of view. If you have a linear path that is x metres wide, and you want/need to move a certain number of people, not-cars will move more people: * https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Corridor_Capacity_and_Infrastructure_Costs.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Corridor... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis–Mogridge_position https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis–Mogridge_position Or, from another perspective, you have a budget of $/€ y for transportation, what mode of transportation will allow you to move the most people for that money? Unless you believe in MMT, government budgets are a finite resource, so how do we get the most bang for our buck? Certainly you need some roads as vehicles such as trucks (UK: lorries) are very handy for society in running the economy. I myself own a car, a motorcycle, a bicycle, and have a transit pass (though I can use debit/credit tap-to-pay) and use each mode when appropriate. But the overemphasis on automobiles—specifically for private transportation—is suffocating the availability for other options. To go back to your analogy: if you have a starving population, then factory farming is better because you can provide more calories to more people (and probably at lower cost). In that case organic is worse because you may be sacrificing people's well-being by not having enough capacity. Once you solve your first problem (enough calories/capacity), then you have the luxury of other considerations.

KptMarchewa 2y ago

Obviously it is better. The better alternative to intensive animal husbandry is not eating meat (or other animal products, but in a lesser way) than greenwashing via "organic" designation.