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The Origin of Samples from Mars (2023)

36 points by dijksterhuis 2y ago

malthaus 2y ago
lovely product, great prices, great philosophy but as someone who hates subscriptions, this would actually be a really nice subscription - currently i just buy the "all samples from [year - 1]" on black friday instead but i wouldn't mind a more automated / streamlined approach
- michaelrmmiller 2y ago
  Those offerings exist as well. See East West Composer Cloud (https://www.soundsonline.com/composercloud https://www.soundsonline.com/composercloud) and Musio (https://musio.com/ https://musio.com/) (full disclaimer: I did some work on the latter). There are also related offerings like Splice for loops and Output Arcade (https://output.com/get-arcade/ https://output.com/get-arcade/).
- wrs 2y ago
  I was going to say how clever they are to have implemented a subscription without calling it a subscription! For the non-customers out there, you can buy everything for $99, then once a year there’s a deal on all the new samples for $29 or $39.
vundercind 2y ago
I definitely don't understand drum machines, I guess, because I'd have assumed sampling them was about as useful as sampling a sample, i.e. not at all useful. I suppose, then, these would be analog drum machines and the sampling is for convenient use in a digital workflow?
- wazoox 2y ago
  Legendary drum machines fall mostly in two categories : analog ones such as the Roland TR808 (and also electronic drums such as the Simmons SDS5), and early digital ones such as the LinnDrum and the Oberheim DMX, which use low bit samples (8 or 12 bits at most) and have an highly coloured sound (so that people still like to make new ROM kits for these, then sample the output). Later models (starting in the 90s) have "CD quality sample" and probably aren't particularly worth sampling. However some late machines such as the MPC series have audibly special sequencers, and "swing" in their own, peculiar way. So sampling individual sounds isn't particularly interesting, but sampling drum loops can be interesting.
  - JodieBenitez 2y ago
    > the MPC series have audibly special sequencers, and "swing" in their own, peculiar way. Best explained by Roger Linn himself: > My implementation of swing has always been very simple: I merely delay the second 16th note within each 8th note. In other words, I delay all the even-numbered 16th notes within the beat (2, 4, 6, 8, etc.) https://www.attackmagazine.com/features/interview/roger-linn-swing-groove-magic-mpc-timing/ https://www.attackmagazine.com/features/interview/roger-linn...
  - fuhsnn 2y ago
    It's a bit more than bit depths, some use non-linear encoding (mu-law etc) which also contribute to uniqueness.
- wrs 2y ago
  In fact you can get the original samples taken directly from the ROMs of old digital drum machines, which is maybe 60% of the character. The other 40% is a combination of the imperfect digital-to-analog converters and analog output stages of the time, the way effects like pitch shift were implemented (often by changing the sample rate, which is hard to emulate), and the control gestures idiomatic to the machine.
- svantana 2y ago
  Sampling a sample can definitely be useful, if the original sample is in an inconvenient format (e.g. inside some hardware). Of course, this business is in a legal gray area, because the recordings inside the machines are copyrighted. But they are resold with some "processing" that could potentially be considered transformative enough. This is niche enough that I doubt it will ever be tried in court.
- munificent 2y ago
  > these would be analog drum machines and the sampling is for convenient use in a digital workflow? Convenience and also price. A real Roland TR-808 will set you back about $5,000 dollars on the used market.
Mistletoe 2y ago
Selling the shovels to gold miners has done well. :) The attention to detail is inspiring. I could never do something like this.
- JodieBenitez 2y ago
  As a "gold miner", I used to have a samplesfrommars subscription. And never really used the samples.

36 points by dijksterhuis 2y ago

lovely product, great prices, great philosophy but as someone who hates subscriptions, this would actually be a really nice subscription - currently i just buy the "all samples from [year - 1]" on black friday instead but i wouldn't mind a more automated / streamlined approach

michaelrmmiller 2y ago
Those offerings exist as well. See East West Composer Cloud (https://www.soundsonline.com/composercloud https://www.soundsonline.com/composercloud) and Musio (https://musio.com/ https://musio.com/) (full disclaimer: I did some work on the latter). There are also related offerings like Splice for loops and Output Arcade (https://output.com/get-arcade/ https://output.com/get-arcade/).
wrs 2y ago
I was going to say how clever they are to have implemented a subscription without calling it a subscription! For the non-customers out there, you can buy everything for $99, then once a year there’s a deal on all the new samples for $29 or $39.

vundercind 2y ago

I definitely don't understand drum machines, I guess, because I'd have assumed sampling them was about as useful as sampling a sample, i.e. not at all useful. I suppose, then, these would be analog drum machines and the sampling is for convenient use in a digital workflow?

wazoox 2y ago
Legendary drum machines fall mostly in two categories : analog ones such as the Roland TR808 (and also electronic drums such as the Simmons SDS5), and early digital ones such as the LinnDrum and the Oberheim DMX, which use low bit samples (8 or 12 bits at most) and have an highly coloured sound (so that people still like to make new ROM kits for these, then sample the output). Later models (starting in the 90s) have "CD quality sample" and probably aren't particularly worth sampling. However some late machines such as the MPC series have audibly special sequencers, and "swing" in their own, peculiar way. So sampling individual sounds isn't particularly interesting, but sampling drum loops can be interesting.
- JodieBenitez 2y ago
  > the MPC series have audibly special sequencers, and "swing" in their own, peculiar way. Best explained by Roger Linn himself: > My implementation of swing has always been very simple: I merely delay the second 16th note within each 8th note. In other words, I delay all the even-numbered 16th notes within the beat (2, 4, 6, 8, etc.) https://www.attackmagazine.com/features/interview/roger-linn-swing-groove-magic-mpc-timing/ https://www.attackmagazine.com/features/interview/roger-linn...
- fuhsnn 2y ago
  It's a bit more than bit depths, some use non-linear encoding (mu-law etc) which also contribute to uniqueness.
wrs 2y ago
In fact you can get the original samples taken directly from the ROMs of old digital drum machines, which is maybe 60% of the character. The other 40% is a combination of the imperfect digital-to-analog converters and analog output stages of the time, the way effects like pitch shift were implemented (often by changing the sample rate, which is hard to emulate), and the control gestures idiomatic to the machine.
svantana 2y ago
Sampling a sample can definitely be useful, if the original sample is in an inconvenient format (e.g. inside some hardware). Of course, this business is in a legal gray area, because the recordings inside the machines are copyrighted. But they are resold with some "processing" that could potentially be considered transformative enough. This is niche enough that I doubt it will ever be tried in court.
munificent 2y ago
> these would be analog drum machines and the sampling is for convenient use in a digital workflow? Convenience and also price. A real Roland TR-808 will set you back about $5,000 dollars on the used market.

Mistletoe 2y ago

Selling the shovels to gold miners has done well. :) The attention to detail is inspiring. I could never do something like this.

JodieBenitez 2y ago
As a "gold miner", I used to have a samplesfrommars subscription. And never really used the samples.