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Does jamming over the internet requires special techniques on the musician side ? Whenever i played with my DAW, any kind of hardware latency made it impossible

by bsaul 2y ago

Does jamming over the internet requires special techniques on the musician side ? Whenever i played with my DAW, any kind of hardware latency made it impossible to play correctly. I can’t imagine how that would work with two or more people over the net.

atmanactive 2y ago
Jamming online in real-time is possible only between participants in the same city or district. It all boils down to internet-induced latency. More than 20ms and no real-time is possible. For long distance (high latency) online jamming, there is Ninjam [1], developed by Cockos, creators of Reaper DAW, where latency is actually expanded to match a musical division (bar), so everyone can jam in non-realtime but still musically correct. For long distance collaboration and recording (not jamming), I'm currently working on developing a Reaper + Sonobus (which uses AOO) solution which I named ReaConnect [0]. [0] https://github.com/AtmanActive/ReaConnect https://github.com/AtmanActive/ReaConnect [1] https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/
spacechild1 2y ago
With good hardware and a stable system you should be able to get the harware latency down to 2-5 ms. Then everybody needs a very stable and fast internet connection with low jitter, so you get average ping times of 20 ms or less. On top of that you have a jitter buffer latency of maybe 20 ms or less. (If you're very far apart geographically, you also need to consider the speed of light for the network transmission.) Under ideal circumstances you may end up with a total end-to-end latency of 30 ms. This is the same latency you get when standing 10 meters apart on a large stage. You probably won't be able to play bebop or technical death metal, but pop ballads or stoner rock should be feasable :)
- mindcrime 2y ago
  Doom metal might be viable as well. But that's pretty closely related to stoner rock, so maybe that's just saying the same thing.

by bsaul 2y ago

atmanactive 2y ago

Jamming online in real-time is possible only between participants in the same city or district. It all boils down to internet-induced latency. More than 20ms and no real-time is possible. For long distance (high latency) online jamming, there is Ninjam [1], developed by Cockos, creators of Reaper DAW, where latency is actually expanded to match a musical division (bar), so everyone can jam in non-realtime but still musically correct. For long distance collaboration and recording (not jamming), I'm currently working on developing a Reaper + Sonobus (which uses AOO) solution which I named ReaConnect [0]. [0] https://github.com/AtmanActive/ReaConnect https://github.com/AtmanActive/ReaConnect [1] https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/

spacechild1 2y ago

With good hardware and a stable system you should be able to get the harware latency down to 2-5 ms. Then everybody needs a very stable and fast internet connection with low jitter, so you get average ping times of 20 ms or less. On top of that you have a jitter buffer latency of maybe 20 ms or less. (If you're very far apart geographically, you also need to consider the speed of light for the network transmission.) Under ideal circumstances you may end up with a total end-to-end latency of 30 ms. This is the same latency you get when standing 10 meters apart on a large stage. You probably won't be able to play bebop or technical death metal, but pop ballads or stoner rock should be feasable :)

mindcrime 2y ago
Doom metal might be viable as well. But that's pretty closely related to stoner rock, so maybe that's just saying the same thing.