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Healthcare cost also decline, and people become less sick because you have to walk some amount to get to the train.

by looofooo0 2y ago

piyuv 2y ago
The air quality improving should also be a factor.
shankr 2y ago
Although you fall sick more often in winter when using public transportation.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  Is that a rigorous statistical analysis or just your impression?
  - shankr 2y ago
    It was instrumental in spreading COVID[1]. Also found to be the case with other airborne diseases[2] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8552583/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8552583/ [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6280530/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6280530/
  - throw4950sh06 2y ago
    Some people actually try these things... And not writing an academic paper about it doesn't make it wrong.
    - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
      Not writing an academic paper about it doesn't make it right either. This is the problem, when it's just hearsay, the rest of us have nothing to judge its accuracy with. When looking at something as complex as people's behaviour, then it's worth allowing for seasonal variations in public transport use (e.g. when it's raining people may decide to get the bus rather than walk). Could it be related to the length of their journeys and/or their net worth? (There's a strong correlation between health and wealth). How does it compare to a similar section of the population that drive or cycle instead?
      - throw4950sh06 2y ago
        You can look into it yourself. This is a web forum, not university. I don't understand how are your questions going to answer anything anyways - it's not like the answer is going to be the same anywhere.
finikytou 2y ago
in Paris (and pretty sure that applies to pretty much any big western city, new york for instance is worse in a few of the criterias ill reference) subway increase stress, frequent delays(if you have 2-3 train as part of your commute you will experience it daily), pollution down under is high, virus/covid transmission is high, pickpockets are everywhere if not worse, bedbug, pee smell, junkies. Id take a car any day.
- account42 2y ago
  Yes, even just 15 or 30 minutes more spent on commute every day is a significan quality of life decrease.
- neither_color 2y ago
  This is much less of a problem in large Asian cities. They're only really stressful in rush hour crowds. But in places like NY the public seems much less interested in the initial policing, maintenance, and cultural attitude shifts that would be required to make it happen. Like, you could still have the artists, street performers, and other so-called charming quirks while still making sure the problematic passengers get the help they need. What's it going to take? You could even do a trial period, like one year of safe, clean metros and see if people want to go back to the way things are now.
  - PaulHoule 2y ago
    It is easy to say but not easy to do. Post Szasz and Reagan we’ve had the policy of deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill. Thus you have a lot of people with schizophrenia who have no insight into their condition who are very hard to manage. Even in a town where services are relatively available there are many people who take years to accept a diagnosis which can get them on disability and receiving permanent help. Probably the best we can do for these people is get them stabilized on an antipsychotic drug and then get them in the clinic every few months for a depot injection but even that is pretty hard.
    - bluGill 2y ago

Healthcare cost also decline, and people become less sick because you have to walk some amount to get to the train.

piyuv 2y ago

The air quality improving should also be a factor.

shankr 2y ago

Although you fall sick more often in winter when using public transportation.

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
Is that a rigorous statistical analysis or just your impression?
- shankr 2y ago
  It was instrumental in spreading COVID[1]. Also found to be the case with other airborne diseases[2] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8552583/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8552583/ [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6280530/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6280530/
- throw4950sh06 2y ago
  Some people actually try these things... And not writing an academic paper about it doesn't make it wrong.
  - ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
    Not writing an academic paper about it doesn't make it right either. This is the problem, when it's just hearsay, the rest of us have nothing to judge its accuracy with. When looking at something as complex as people's behaviour, then it's worth allowing for seasonal variations in public transport use (e.g. when it's raining people may decide to get the bus rather than walk). Could it be related to the length of their journeys and/or their net worth? (There's a strong correlation between health and wealth). How does it compare to a similar section of the population that drive or cycle instead?
    - throw4950sh06 2y ago
      You can look into it yourself. This is a web forum, not university. I don't understand how are your questions going to answer anything anyways - it's not like the answer is going to be the same anywhere.

finikytou 2y ago

in Paris (and pretty sure that applies to pretty much any big western city, new york for instance is worse in a few of the criterias ill reference) subway increase stress, frequent delays(if you have 2-3 train as part of your commute you will experience it daily), pollution down under is high, virus/covid transmission is high, pickpockets are everywhere if not worse, bedbug, pee smell, junkies. Id take a car any day.

account42 2y ago
Yes, even just 15 or 30 minutes more spent on commute every day is a significan quality of life decrease.
neither_color 2y ago
This is much less of a problem in large Asian cities. They're only really stressful in rush hour crowds. But in places like NY the public seems much less interested in the initial policing, maintenance, and cultural attitude shifts that would be required to make it happen. Like, you could still have the artists, street performers, and other so-called charming quirks while still making sure the problematic passengers get the help they need. What's it going to take? You could even do a trial period, like one year of safe, clean metros and see if people want to go back to the way things are now.
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  It is easy to say but not easy to do. Post Szasz and Reagan we’ve had the policy of deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill. Thus you have a lot of people with schizophrenia who have no insight into their condition who are very hard to manage. Even in a town where services are relatively available there are many people who take years to accept a diagnosis which can get them on disability and receiving permanent help. Probably the best we can do for these people is get them stabilized on an antipsychotic drug and then get them in the clinic every few months for a depot injection but even that is pretty hard.
  - bluGill 2y ago