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I have no interest in using postman after they trashed all of my requests and subsequently tried forcing me to tie an account to it it's literally just an http

I have no interest in using postman after they trashed all of my requests and subsequently tried forcing me to tie an account to it it's literally just an http client with a UI, better luck next time

ashishb 2y ago
Yeah, never understood the charm of it either. My favorite is Bruno (https://github.com/usebruno/bruno https://github.com/usebruno/bruno), one can even commit its text-based files to version control. Insomnia is probably better but had a major fiasco last year - https://github.com/Kong/insomnia/issues/6577 https://github.com/Kong/insomnia/issues/6577
- matrix87 2y ago
  hmm looks like they forked the pre-enshittified version of insomnia https://github.com/ArchGPT/insomnium https://github.com/ArchGPT/insomnium
  - ashishb 2y ago
    What you linked to seems to be in archive and read-only mode already.
- yunohn 2y ago
  Bruno didn’t exist until ~2yrs ago and was created as a reactionary alternative to Postman’s changes. What did you use before that?
  - ashishb 2y ago
    I used curl before that. But I can see how curl will be intimidating for non-engineers. Now, I recommend Bruno to even non-engineers.
    - yunohn 2y ago
      Notwithstanding your judgment of others’ ability to use curl - I wouldn’t compare API clients to curl at all. Clients like Postman/Bruno provide private/shared request libraries, detailed customization of the request/response, automated load and behavior testing, syntax highlighting and formatting, pretty printing and so much more.
      - ashishb 2y ago
        > Clients like Postman/Bruno provide private/shared request libraries, detailed customization of the request/response, automated load and behavior testing, syntax highlighting and formatting, pretty printing and so much more. For all engineers - detailed customization of the request/response - Python scripts - syntax highlighting - bat - pretty printing - jq - automated load and behavior testing - several specialized tools
        yunohn 2y ago
        This feels like a worse version of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
        matrix87 2y ago
        well played I guess but a side question, how did you find that comment? is there a listing of historic hn comments somewhere?
        ashishb 2y ago
        The comparison to Dropbox is incorrect. But rather than trying to explain that, I will wait a few years and let the market decide whether my concerns are legitimate.
yunohn 2y ago
> it's literally just an http client with a UI, better luck next time This is the exact toxic dismissive attitude that leads to OSS software going the payment-gated route.
- matrix87 2y ago
  isn't that the point of OSS software? vendor makes a bunch of user-hostile changes, people get pissed and fork it. if they wanted to be hostile towards users, then OSS was a mistake
  - yunohn 2y ago
    The reason we end up with user hostile changes, is because the dev user community is cannibalistically stingy. This cycle will continue forever, until people stop dismissing others work as “curl with a UI” or “curl with FTP” and refusing to pay for anything.

I have no interest in using postman after they trashed all of my requests and subsequently tried forcing me to tie an account to it it's literally just an http client with a UI, better luck next time

ashishb 2y ago

Yeah, never understood the charm of it either. My favorite is Bruno (https://github.com/usebruno/bruno https://github.com/usebruno/bruno), one can even commit its text-based files to version control. Insomnia is probably better but had a major fiasco last year - https://github.com/Kong/insomnia/issues/6577 https://github.com/Kong/insomnia/issues/6577

matrix87 2y ago
hmm looks like they forked the pre-enshittified version of insomnia https://github.com/ArchGPT/insomnium https://github.com/ArchGPT/insomnium
- ashishb 2y ago
  What you linked to seems to be in archive and read-only mode already.
yunohn 2y ago
Bruno didn’t exist until ~2yrs ago and was created as a reactionary alternative to Postman’s changes. What did you use before that?
- ashishb 2y ago
  I used curl before that. But I can see how curl will be intimidating for non-engineers. Now, I recommend Bruno to even non-engineers.
  - yunohn 2y ago
    Notwithstanding your judgment of others’ ability to use curl - I wouldn’t compare API clients to curl at all. Clients like Postman/Bruno provide private/shared request libraries, detailed customization of the request/response, automated load and behavior testing, syntax highlighting and formatting, pretty printing and so much more.
    - ashishb 2y ago
      > Clients like Postman/Bruno provide private/shared request libraries, detailed customization of the request/response, automated load and behavior testing, syntax highlighting and formatting, pretty printing and so much more. For all engineers - detailed customization of the request/response - Python scripts - syntax highlighting - bat - pretty printing - jq - automated load and behavior testing - several specialized tools
      - yunohn 2y ago
        This feels like a worse version of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
        matrix87 2y ago
        well played I guess but a side question, how did you find that comment? is there a listing of historic hn comments somewhere?
        ashishb 2y ago
        The comparison to Dropbox is incorrect. But rather than trying to explain that, I will wait a few years and let the market decide whether my concerns are legitimate.

yunohn 2y ago

> it's literally just an http client with a UI, better luck next time This is the exact toxic dismissive attitude that leads to OSS software going the payment-gated route.

matrix87 2y ago
isn't that the point of OSS software? vendor makes a bunch of user-hostile changes, people get pissed and fork it. if they wanted to be hostile towards users, then OSS was a mistake
- yunohn 2y ago
  The reason we end up with user hostile changes, is because the dev user community is cannibalistically stingy. This cycle will continue forever, until people stop dismissing others work as “curl with a UI” or “curl with FTP” and refusing to pay for anything.