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I was referring to real therapy, not simply being told to diet and exercise: https://bpsmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186s13030-020-00177-9 https://b

I was referring to real therapy, not simply being told to diet and exercise: https://bpsmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186s13030-020-00177-9 https://bpsmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186s13030... CBT is very good at breaking addictions and other bad thought patterns, and it is the scientific basis on which most hard drug rehabs work. There's no reason to suggest that it works less on food than on heroin.

borski 2y ago
> There's no reason to suggest that it works less on food than on heroin. And nobody said it did. But the thought that obese people haven’t considered therapy is absurd. Most of them do so for depression, not the obesity, but they are usually related. The people who GLP-1 drugs help have not “never tried anything,” including but not limited to “real therapy.” If CBT and other modalities help someone, great! But they often don’t, and when they don’t, it’s absurd to want them to continue to suffer instead of get help with medication.
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  > And nobody said it did. But the thought that obese people haven’t considered therapy is absurd. Most of them do so for depression, not the obesity, but they are usually related. Citation needed. As I understand it, serious therapeutic psychological treatments for obesity are highly stigmatized in the US. You may be projecting your own experience onto a group that does not share it. By the way, CBT as used for depression and for obesity are totally different types of CBT. CBT methods are highly tailored to the specific thought pattern you want to prevent.
  - borski 2y ago
    Not just me. I have plenty of friends who have tried therapy many times. Anecdotal, yes, but I’m unfamiliar with any studies about this. And yes, I’m familiar with the differences. I was simply saying they usually walk in with depression, and move on to obesity.

borski 2y ago

> There's no reason to suggest that it works less on food than on heroin. And nobody said it did. But the thought that obese people haven’t considered therapy is absurd. Most of them do so for depression, not the obesity, but they are usually related. The people who GLP-1 drugs help have not “never tried anything,” including but not limited to “real therapy.” If CBT and other modalities help someone, great! But they often don’t, and when they don’t, it’s absurd to want them to continue to suffer instead of get help with medication.

pclmulqdq 2y ago
> And nobody said it did. But the thought that obese people haven’t considered therapy is absurd. Most of them do so for depression, not the obesity, but they are usually related. Citation needed. As I understand it, serious therapeutic psychological treatments for obesity are highly stigmatized in the US. You may be projecting your own experience onto a group that does not share it. By the way, CBT as used for depression and for obesity are totally different types of CBT. CBT methods are highly tailored to the specific thought pattern you want to prevent.
- borski 2y ago
  Not just me. I have plenty of friends who have tried therapy many times. Anecdotal, yes, but I’m unfamiliar with any studies about this. And yes, I’m familiar with the differences. I was simply saying they usually walk in with depression, and move on to obesity.