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the vast majority of people who try psychedelics are not trying to escape untreatable clinical depression, they are doing it recreationally, for a roller coaste

the vast majority of people who try psychedelics are not trying to escape untreatable clinical depression, they are doing it recreationally, for a roller coaster ride which they believe connects them with the Almighty or the Unknowable or the Dao or the All-loving Everpresent or the "insert word that sounds profound" <-- oh, the Profundity! These people are inspired—perhaps by the Almighty, i'm not judging—to preach The Gospel of psychedelics and praise any confirmation of these miracles. I'm simply pointing out that what appears to be the Omnipotence of the Almighty might very well be Selling Your Soul to the Devil for all you know. I'm an atheist, simply using metaphor to get the point across to you. When you talk about how powerful medication is in warping the brain to cure intractable mental problems, that is not at all an endorsement of recreational use. Heroin makes you feel like your mother not only loves you, but makes up for her not loving when she abandoned you as a baby. Is heroin therefore a good idea? (and if you say "that's chemical dependency", you completely miss the point)

yieldcrv 2y ago
what point do you think needed to get across to me? did you think you were replying to someone else? my response was sufficiently broad to factor in non-positive and negative experiences and had nothing to do with the hyperbolic praise of some psychedelic users and that community
- fsckboy 2y ago
  turns out I don't write my comments just for you. what did you write that you think so clearly showed you understood what I originally said that I wouldn't think other people suffered the same misapprehensions?
BigGreenJorts 2y ago
Idk how many people trying psychedelics for the first time are that interested in the shamanic gods or whatever as much as they want life altered in a fun weird way. In college when people did LSD or mushrooms, they were usually most interested in the visuals.
seec 2y ago
I have tried and use those things (mushrooms, LSD, MDMA) just for fun and I think they are alright if you understand that it is just that: a fun experience, like alcohol or cannabis can be. But I agree that there is a large amount of people taking those things and coming up with large amount of bullshit to justify taking it, in an attempt at pretending that they are more than just fun. It's always people who are very status conscious, hipster like, with narcissistic tendencies who want to impose their viewpoint in a way that makes them feel superior. As far as I'm concerned, I think those things should be legal because not only sourcing them is easy anyway but it also escapes all quality control and regulation even though we still agree to sell much worse things as a society (like tobacco) and that's very incoherent. I don't think any of the new age bullshit theory about healing mental illness (an already loosely defined thing) or whatever else is correct, but what is probably true, is that most of the stuff sold by the pharmaceutical companies is not any better (when it's not much worse) yet it is legal. This is a classic case of capitalism bullshit: if you are having fun, you can't be a productive individual so that's not right, but in the meantime please buy our very similar drugs that's supposedly have the same results, without the fun. One reason the advocates are going overboard with all the claims is probably because the industry is allowed to do the same with much less scrutiny, so it is an attempt at equilibrium, I guess. I doubt they will be successful at fighting fire with fire but it is annoying that it is such a political issue, people should be allowed to take those things if they want to...
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  although I criticize the same people, I think your viewpoint is too dismissive without prior knowledge of what psychonauts say, I also experienced increased empathy or ability to relate to more people and animals. body language, cues, things that maybe come with mental development or maturity but seemed more refined and accelerated. on the empathy and EQ, it seems to wear off. so noticing that is a shared experience is fascinating to me, I wish it could be controlled for specifically to refine that aspect of the substance or trigger in our minds instead of jumping into the debate about legalizing that specific substance, and I understand the limitations in testing it, both from a legal and regulatory standpoint and from a control group and study standpoint this leaves us at square one, where I can appreciate others experiencing it but I cant quite recommend either due to how varied the experience is

yieldcrv 2y ago

what point do you think needed to get across to me? did you think you were replying to someone else? my response was sufficiently broad to factor in non-positive and negative experiences and had nothing to do with the hyperbolic praise of some psychedelic users and that community

fsckboy 2y ago
turns out I don't write my comments just for you. what did you write that you think so clearly showed you understood what I originally said that I wouldn't think other people suffered the same misapprehensions?

BigGreenJorts 2y ago

Idk how many people trying psychedelics for the first time are that interested in the shamanic gods or whatever as much as they want life altered in a fun weird way. In college when people did LSD or mushrooms, they were usually most interested in the visuals.

seec 2y ago

I have tried and use those things (mushrooms, LSD, MDMA) just for fun and I think they are alright if you understand that it is just that: a fun experience, like alcohol or cannabis can be. But I agree that there is a large amount of people taking those things and coming up with large amount of bullshit to justify taking it, in an attempt at pretending that they are more than just fun. It's always people who are very status conscious, hipster like, with narcissistic tendencies who want to impose their viewpoint in a way that makes them feel superior. As far as I'm concerned, I think those things should be legal because not only sourcing them is easy anyway but it also escapes all quality control and regulation even though we still agree to sell much worse things as a society (like tobacco) and that's very incoherent. I don't think any of the new age bullshit theory about healing mental illness (an already loosely defined thing) or whatever else is correct, but what is probably true, is that most of the stuff sold by the pharmaceutical companies is not any better (when it's not much worse) yet it is legal. This is a classic case of capitalism bullshit: if you are having fun, you can't be a productive individual so that's not right, but in the meantime please buy our very similar drugs that's supposedly have the same results, without the fun. One reason the advocates are going overboard with all the claims is probably because the industry is allowed to do the same with much less scrutiny, so it is an attempt at equilibrium, I guess. I doubt they will be successful at fighting fire with fire but it is annoying that it is such a political issue, people should be allowed to take those things if they want to...

yieldcrv 2y ago
although I criticize the same people, I think your viewpoint is too dismissive without prior knowledge of what psychonauts say, I also experienced increased empathy or ability to relate to more people and animals. body language, cues, things that maybe come with mental development or maturity but seemed more refined and accelerated. on the empathy and EQ, it seems to wear off. so noticing that is a shared experience is fascinating to me, I wish it could be controlled for specifically to refine that aspect of the substance or trigger in our minds instead of jumping into the debate about legalizing that specific substance, and I understand the limitations in testing it, both from a legal and regulatory standpoint and from a control group and study standpoint this leaves us at square one, where I can appreciate others experiencing it but I cant quite recommend either due to how varied the experience is