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I've gotten the sense that PayPal is circling the drain lately. Whenever I log on (which is rare) I'm bombarded by modals and banners offering payment plans, di

I've gotten the sense that PayPal is circling the drain lately. Whenever I log on (which is rare) I'm bombarded by modals and banners offering payment plans, digital coupons, etc. When I receive money, there's lots of clever UI design that's trying to trick me into transferring it instantly (for a fee) or keeping it in PayPal, as opposed to withdrawing it to my bank account. I suppose this is just one more sign the company is in financial trouble.

homebrewer 2y ago
Lately? It's been that way for decades. I'll add one more to your list: since many things are paid in USD, and most of us live outside the US, your payment goes through a currency conversion. Up until a few years ago it was possible to configure PayPal to let your bank convert using bank's own rates, although it was hidden behind dark UI patterns. Then they removed it and now force you to run conversion at PayPal rates, which are just terrible, much worse than any bank I've ever used. This was about the time I stopped using PayPal completely, so I can't say exactly how much of a price hike this caused, but it's probably around 10%.
- Novosell 2y ago
  I can still defer conversion to my bank.
- gruez 2y ago
  >Then they removed it and now force you to run conversion at PayPal rates, which are just terrible, much worse than any bank I've ever used. When was this? As of a few months ago it was working fine for me, although it required a bit of finagling to get it to work on new cards I added.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  I have thought PayPal was circling the drain for so long that, honestly, it probably says more about me than PayPal. Still though, I don’t get it, as far as I can tell they are just… essentially doing the same thing as credit card companies, but with less regulatory protection for their customers.(?) Like they made sense 20 years ago when banks didn’t know about the internet. But now they are befuddling.
404mm 2y ago
Despite my bottomless hate for PayPal, I’ve been keeping my account active because there was always some worse option to give your credit card number to. But with Privacy.com, I’m finally ready to let go.
- koyote 2y ago
  Same here, I absolutely despise PayPal but end up using them often because I simply don't trust most retailers with my card information :( (and it's often faster checkout if I don't have my CC details handy) That being said, there's quite a bit of competition these days from BNPL vendors (klarna, afterpay etc.). I don't believe they are any more virtuous though...
  - loa_in_ 2y ago
    Imagine shopping and not trusting the shop enough to pull out your wallet inside
    - Symbiote 2y ago
      Before chip cards were introduced in Europe (which was 20 years ago so most of my experience was as a child) this could happen. My parents would avoid using a credit card in some restaurants and (less often) at remote petrol stations.
    - koyote 2y ago
      It's not that I do not trust the shop to scam/fraud me (well, sometimes I do), but I do not trust their IT processes. There are a surprising number of online shops that rolled their own payment processing (or at least seem to be). So it's more akin to entrusting a shop with a photo of both sides of your credit card and hoping that this photo does not get into the wrong hands. Here's an example of this happening where drivers licenses were exposed via an open AWS S3 bucket: https://www.itnews.com.au/news/over-54000-scanned-nsw-drivers-licences-found-in-open-cloud-storage-552544 https://www.itnews.com.au/news/over-54000-scanned-nsw-driver...
- UberFly 2y ago
tiffanyh 2y ago
Looking at their revenue charted tells a different story. One in which they are thriving. https://www.statista.com/statistics/382619/paypal-annual-revenue/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/382619/paypal-annual-rev... PayPal ($29B) also does more revenue than Mastercard ($25B).
- yellers 2y ago
  Revenue != Profit

homebrewer 2y ago

Lately? It's been that way for decades. I'll add one more to your list: since many things are paid in USD, and most of us live outside the US, your payment goes through a currency conversion. Up until a few years ago it was possible to configure PayPal to let your bank convert using bank's own rates, although it was hidden behind dark UI patterns. Then they removed it and now force you to run conversion at PayPal rates, which are just terrible, much worse than any bank I've ever used. This was about the time I stopped using PayPal completely, so I can't say exactly how much of a price hike this caused, but it's probably around 10%.

Novosell 2y ago
I can still defer conversion to my bank.
gruez 2y ago
>Then they removed it and now force you to run conversion at PayPal rates, which are just terrible, much worse than any bank I've ever used. When was this? As of a few months ago it was working fine for me, although it required a bit of finagling to get it to work on new cards I added.
bee_rider 2y ago
I have thought PayPal was circling the drain for so long that, honestly, it probably says more about me than PayPal. Still though, I don’t get it, as far as I can tell they are just… essentially doing the same thing as credit card companies, but with less regulatory protection for their customers.(?) Like they made sense 20 years ago when banks didn’t know about the internet. But now they are befuddling.

404mm 2y ago

Despite my bottomless hate for PayPal, I’ve been keeping my account active because there was always some worse option to give your credit card number to. But with Privacy.com, I’m finally ready to let go.

koyote 2y ago
Same here, I absolutely despise PayPal but end up using them often because I simply don't trust most retailers with my card information :( (and it's often faster checkout if I don't have my CC details handy) That being said, there's quite a bit of competition these days from BNPL vendors (klarna, afterpay etc.). I don't believe they are any more virtuous though...
- loa_in_ 2y ago
  Imagine shopping and not trusting the shop enough to pull out your wallet inside
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    Before chip cards were introduced in Europe (which was 20 years ago so most of my experience was as a child) this could happen. My parents would avoid using a credit card in some restaurants and (less often) at remote petrol stations.
  - koyote 2y ago
    It's not that I do not trust the shop to scam/fraud me (well, sometimes I do), but I do not trust their IT processes. There are a surprising number of online shops that rolled their own payment processing (or at least seem to be). So it's more akin to entrusting a shop with a photo of both sides of your credit card and hoping that this photo does not get into the wrong hands. Here's an example of this happening where drivers licenses were exposed via an open AWS S3 bucket: https://www.itnews.com.au/news/over-54000-scanned-nsw-drivers-licences-found-in-open-cloud-storage-552544 https://www.itnews.com.au/news/over-54000-scanned-nsw-driver...
UberFly 2y ago

tiffanyh 2y ago

Looking at their revenue charted tells a different story. One in which they are thriving. https://www.statista.com/statistics/382619/paypal-annual-revenue/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/382619/paypal-annual-rev... PayPal ($29B) also does more revenue than Mastercard ($25B).

yellers 2y ago
Revenue != Profit