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This is so open faced and gross. It reminds of someone talking about getting paid minimum wage. If you get paid minimum wage, what your employer is saying is,

This is so open faced and gross. It reminds of someone talking about getting paid minimum wage. If you get paid minimum wage, what your employer is saying is, "I would pay you less if I was legally allowed to do so." It also reminds me of State Farm's (auto/home insurance in the US) website with this link at the bottom: > Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information (CA residents only)

toomuchtodo 2y ago
Don’t get mad, get active. Keep cranking on the policy ratchet, progress and success is clearly possible.
- tekknik 2y ago
  The “progress” is driving a wedge so deep in US society that many think there won’t be a country left after the progressives are done. They have all but destroyed any national identity and made us very easy to invade and continue to try to do so with gun control laws. you’re happy about progress, I’m terrified because the progressives don’t consider whether something they want is good or bad for the country, they just demand it regardless.
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  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    My comment speaks specifically to consumer/citizen data privacy, which shouldn’t be a partisan or contentious issue (imho).
    - tekknik 2y ago
      then reword it.
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mrkramer 2y ago
That's what Disqus has at the bottom of every of their comments section[0]. I find it ridiculous. [0] https://electricdusk.com/img/disqus-gdpr-violation-marketing.png https://electricdusk.com/img/disqus-gdpr-violation-marketing...
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
I would like a tax relating to privacy violations to be retroactive in all these other states. It’s actually legal to apply a retroactive tax, so why not?
seneca 2y ago
> If you get paid minimum wage, what your employer is saying is, "I would pay you less if I was legally allowed to do so." The minimum wage is the government saying "if you produce less value than this arbitrary cut off, you aren't allowed to work".
- krapp 2y ago
  No it isn't, because wages aren't set based on some objective measurement of the quality of value produced. If that were the case, increases in productivity would have resulted in a commensurate increase in wages, but the only increase is the gap between wages and productivity.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    So all of the AI engineers getting large bonuses it has nothing to do with the value? What you’ve described here is the way it’s supposed to work. But after decades of “progress” in removing morality you see the wage gap problem now.
- kelnos 2y ago
  Ah, lovely, you're one of those people. If you produce less value than the cutoff (whatever that means; wages are set based on how little a company can get away with paying, not on some arbitrary "value" you've assigned to the work), companies that employ you still have to pay you a living wage. Or not even, since minimum wage usually lags a living wage. The funny thing is, I bet you're also the kind of person who is against welfare programs. So if the minimum wage didn't exist, people in these sorts of jobs would get paid so little that they'd end up on welfare. Not sure how that would be an improvement.
  - eadmund 2y ago
    > If you produce less value than the [minimum wage], companies that employ you still have to pay you True enough, I suppose, but … if one produces less than one costs, a company will not employ one. Why would a company employ someone who produces less than he costs?
heavensteeth 2y ago
> If you get paid minimum wage, what your employer is saying is, "I would pay you less if I was legally allowed to do so." Doesn't this apply to all pay rates? It's not like high-paying jobs are high-paying for the love in the employer's heart. When does a wage stop being gross? 1c over minimum wage? $1 over?

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Don’t get mad, get active. Keep cranking on the policy ratchet, progress and success is clearly possible.

tekknik 2y ago
The “progress” is driving a wedge so deep in US society that many think there won’t be a country left after the progressives are done. They have all but destroyed any national identity and made us very easy to invade and continue to try to do so with gun control laws. you’re happy about progress, I’m terrified because the progressives don’t consider whether something they want is good or bad for the country, they just demand it regardless.
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- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  My comment speaks specifically to consumer/citizen data privacy, which shouldn’t be a partisan or contentious issue (imho).
  - tekknik 2y ago
    then reword it.
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mrkramer 2y ago

That's what Disqus has at the bottom of every of their comments section[0]. I find it ridiculous. [0] https://electricdusk.com/img/disqus-gdpr-violation-marketing.png https://electricdusk.com/img/disqus-gdpr-violation-marketing...

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

I would like a tax relating to privacy violations to be retroactive in all these other states. It’s actually legal to apply a retroactive tax, so why not?

seneca 2y ago

> If you get paid minimum wage, what your employer is saying is, "I would pay you less if I was legally allowed to do so." The minimum wage is the government saying "if you produce less value than this arbitrary cut off, you aren't allowed to work".

krapp 2y ago
No it isn't, because wages aren't set based on some objective measurement of the quality of value produced. If that were the case, increases in productivity would have resulted in a commensurate increase in wages, but the only increase is the gap between wages and productivity.
- tekknik 2y ago
  So all of the AI engineers getting large bonuses it has nothing to do with the value? What you’ve described here is the way it’s supposed to work. But after decades of “progress” in removing morality you see the wage gap problem now.
kelnos 2y ago
Ah, lovely, you're one of those people. If you produce less value than the cutoff (whatever that means; wages are set based on how little a company can get away with paying, not on some arbitrary "value" you've assigned to the work), companies that employ you still have to pay you a living wage. Or not even, since minimum wage usually lags a living wage. The funny thing is, I bet you're also the kind of person who is against welfare programs. So if the minimum wage didn't exist, people in these sorts of jobs would get paid so little that they'd end up on welfare. Not sure how that would be an improvement.
- eadmund 2y ago
  > If you produce less value than the [minimum wage], companies that employ you still have to pay you True enough, I suppose, but … if one produces less than one costs, a company will not employ one. Why would a company employ someone who produces less than he costs?

heavensteeth 2y ago

> If you get paid minimum wage, what your employer is saying is, "I would pay you less if I was legally allowed to do so." Doesn't this apply to all pay rates? It's not like high-paying jobs are high-paying for the love in the employer's heart. When does a wage stop being gross? 1c over minimum wage? $1 over?