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It's very funny that Matt's original complaint was that WPEngine didn't contribute enough, and he has now banned them from contributing and stolen what they had

It's very funny that Matt's original complaint was that WPEngine didn't contribute enough, and he has now banned them from contributing and stolen what they had previously provided

andrew_lettuce 2y ago
Do you think they were all of the sudden going to dramatically start contributing? I see this more as symbolically shutting them out. Nothing in this ongoing situation is about more than optics now
- mplewis 2y ago
  They were already contributing as evidenced by the existence of ACF.
  - etchalon 2y ago
    They bought ACF.
    - ChallengeEup237 2y ago
      And continue to update it. Automattic bought WooCommerce.
    - bastawhiz 2y ago
      What I'm hearing is that Automattic didn't buy ACF.
      - microtonal 2y ago
        I think they meant that WPEngine bought ACF: https://wpengine.com/blog/wp-engine-acquires-delicious-brains-plugins-including-advanced-custom-fields/ https://wpengine.com/blog/wp-engine-acquires-delicious-brain...
        bastawhiz 2y ago
        Yes. And Automattic didn't buy it, they stole it.
    - deleted 2y ago
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- FireBeyond 2y ago
  You’re right, several hundred thousand dollars a year towards events is not a contribution. Even when you are banned from the event you are sponsoring. Or something.
- lexicality 2y ago
  > Do you think they were all of the sudden going to dramatically start contributing? It's possible if they had been approached in a calm, polite and constructive way, they might have. After Matt stormed in, set the bridges on fire and started pissing on everything? lol. lmao even > Nothing in this ongoing situation is about more than optics now You're not wrong there! And since you apparently created this account purely to respond to my post, what do you think these optics make you look like, Matt? Do you think they make you look good?
luuurker 2y ago
> [...] and stolen [...] I'm not happy with the mess and Matt's behaviour, but you can't steal free code.
- xuki 2y ago
  This is not about the code. WP is free to fork it with a new name. This is replacing the old plugin with all its reviews, download count.
  - luuurker 2y ago
    The part of the comment I meant to reply to was this: "[...] and stolen what they had previously provided". You're right about the reviews, users, url, etc, but what was "previously provided" was code with a GPL license. You can't "steal" that. The list of things to criticise Matt for is long, but you can't accuse him of stealing open source code.
- lolinder 2y ago
  He's stolen the ACF permalink, reviews, download count, active installations (including the ability to push auto updates), etc. Sure, the code is free, but that's still a lot of theft. https://wordpress.org/plugins/advanced-custom-fields/ https://wordpress.org/plugins/advanced-custom-fields/
  - esskay 2y ago
    To add to that he is now violating their trademark by still using their name, branding and logo, all of which are registered trademarks. The copy you download still has all of these in. Way to speed run wiping out trust in your product. Any Wordpress plugin developer who relies on it for their livelihood should be EXTREMELY worried.
    - pluc 2y ago
      Not only that, but he's taken over all their customers as well if the update source was wordpress.org.
mjburgess 2y ago
That's the official story he gave. But no aspect of his behaviour is consistent with this being true. He's a guy running a multi-billion USD company annoyed at a ~bn USD company for capturing some of the profits from "his" "open" source software. It's corporate warfare given the thinnest possible moral veneer. He was an investor in WP Engine.
wg0 2y ago
Just for 8% I would destroy the 92%.

It's very funny that Matt's original complaint was that WPEngine didn't contribute enough, and he has now banned them from contributing and stolen what they had previously provided

andrew_lettuce 2y ago

Do you think they were all of the sudden going to dramatically start contributing? I see this more as symbolically shutting them out. Nothing in this ongoing situation is about more than optics now

mplewis 2y ago
They were already contributing as evidenced by the existence of ACF.
- etchalon 2y ago
  They bought ACF.
  - ChallengeEup237 2y ago
    And continue to update it. Automattic bought WooCommerce.
  - bastawhiz 2y ago
    What I'm hearing is that Automattic didn't buy ACF.
    - microtonal 2y ago
      I think they meant that WPEngine bought ACF: https://wpengine.com/blog/wp-engine-acquires-delicious-brains-plugins-including-advanced-custom-fields/ https://wpengine.com/blog/wp-engine-acquires-delicious-brain...
      - bastawhiz 2y ago
        Yes. And Automattic didn't buy it, they stole it.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
FireBeyond 2y ago
You’re right, several hundred thousand dollars a year towards events is not a contribution. Even when you are banned from the event you are sponsoring. Or something.
lexicality 2y ago
> Do you think they were all of the sudden going to dramatically start contributing? It's possible if they had been approached in a calm, polite and constructive way, they might have. After Matt stormed in, set the bridges on fire and started pissing on everything? lol. lmao even > Nothing in this ongoing situation is about more than optics now You're not wrong there! And since you apparently created this account purely to respond to my post, what do you think these optics make you look like, Matt? Do you think they make you look good?

luuurker 2y ago

> [...] and stolen [...] I'm not happy with the mess and Matt's behaviour, but you can't steal free code.

xuki 2y ago
This is not about the code. WP is free to fork it with a new name. This is replacing the old plugin with all its reviews, download count.
- luuurker 2y ago
  The part of the comment I meant to reply to was this: "[...] and stolen what they had previously provided". You're right about the reviews, users, url, etc, but what was "previously provided" was code with a GPL license. You can't "steal" that. The list of things to criticise Matt for is long, but you can't accuse him of stealing open source code.
lolinder 2y ago
He's stolen the ACF permalink, reviews, download count, active installations (including the ability to push auto updates), etc. Sure, the code is free, but that's still a lot of theft. https://wordpress.org/plugins/advanced-custom-fields/ https://wordpress.org/plugins/advanced-custom-fields/
- esskay 2y ago
  To add to that he is now violating their trademark by still using their name, branding and logo, all of which are registered trademarks. The copy you download still has all of these in. Way to speed run wiping out trust in your product. Any Wordpress plugin developer who relies on it for their livelihood should be EXTREMELY worried.
  - pluc 2y ago
    Not only that, but he's taken over all their customers as well if the update source was wordpress.org.

mjburgess 2y ago

That's the official story he gave. But no aspect of his behaviour is consistent with this being true. He's a guy running a multi-billion USD company annoyed at a ~bn USD company for capturing some of the profits from "his" "open" source software. It's corporate warfare given the thinnest possible moral veneer. He was an investor in WP Engine.

wg0 2y ago

Just for 8% I would destroy the 92%.