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> Except this only helped the folks living close to big train station hubs Every city has public transport. There is a large density of public transport throu

by lispm 2y ago

> Except this only helped the folks living close to big train station hubs Every city has public transport. There is a large density of public transport throughout the country: trains, local trains, underground trains, busses, ferries, ... The ticket is valid there, too.

pjmlp 2y ago
There is a big difference between doing 1h with car, and 3h with public transport.
- lispm 2y ago
  maybe 3 hours in the car and 1h with public transport. if you are in the rushhour and a traffic jam (not an unusual problem), then the train will be faster. Plus one can work in the train or relax. My regional train here 20km going into the city center is impossible to beat by car. 77.77% of the people live in cities. 55% live in cities with >20k people. Generally Germany is a decentralized country with a lot of regions with local center cities. There are 15 cities with >500k people. France has only four.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Nope, it suffices to live 80 km away from workplace, and not being lucky to live in places with direct connections, where at least three changes are required, with local connection bus, two train changes, plus additional bus/metro/tram on destination.
    - lispm 2y ago
      You don't need to be lucky to live in places with good connections. There are many such places. That car traffic has generally less problems than the train system is a myth. Check the ADAC traffic event overview on a random workday.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        And yet Bahn manages to outdo the Autobahn chaos without much effort, and better not lose those hourly regional bus connections.
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- epolanski 2y ago
  You mean the other way around.
  - DoreenMichele 2y ago
    It really depends on a lot of factors but I generally agree that many people vastly overestimate the time savings of taking a car. And that's before we get into questions like "How many of your hours of paid work are required to make car payments, insurance payments, tag, title and maintenance?"
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Not at all, it is that bad in many areas, not everyone lives in Berlin.
    - lispm 2y ago
      There are a lot more cities with good public transport...
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        For the lucky ones living up to 30 km from city center they are supposed to commute, without having to ever change transport. Just yesterday I hit jackpot, as my train got delayed 10 minutes delaying my connection to the following 30 minutes later train, as it turns out, the previous connecting train was delayed for 1h blocked at the station, so I got to jump into the 1h delayed train, instead of the one that would be coming in 30m later, which got to depart 5 minutes after I jumped into it. The poor souls on that 1h delayed train weren't so happy as me.

by lispm 2y ago

pjmlp 2y ago

There is a big difference between doing 1h with car, and 3h with public transport.

lispm 2y ago
maybe 3 hours in the car and 1h with public transport. if you are in the rushhour and a traffic jam (not an unusual problem), then the train will be faster. Plus one can work in the train or relax. My regional train here 20km going into the city center is impossible to beat by car. 77.77% of the people live in cities. 55% live in cities with >20k people. Generally Germany is a decentralized country with a lot of regions with local center cities. There are 15 cities with >500k people. France has only four.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Nope, it suffices to live 80 km away from workplace, and not being lucky to live in places with direct connections, where at least three changes are required, with local connection bus, two train changes, plus additional bus/metro/tram on destination.
  - lispm 2y ago
    You don't need to be lucky to live in places with good connections. There are many such places. That car traffic has generally less problems than the train system is a myth. Check the ADAC traffic event overview on a random workday.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      And yet Bahn manages to outdo the Autobahn chaos without much effort, and better not lose those hourly regional bus connections.
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epolanski 2y ago
You mean the other way around.
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  It really depends on a lot of factors but I generally agree that many people vastly overestimate the time savings of taking a car. And that's before we get into questions like "How many of your hours of paid work are required to make car payments, insurance payments, tag, title and maintenance?"
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Not at all, it is that bad in many areas, not everyone lives in Berlin.
  - lispm 2y ago
    There are a lot more cities with good public transport...
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      For the lucky ones living up to 30 km from city center they are supposed to commute, without having to ever change transport. Just yesterday I hit jackpot, as my train got delayed 10 minutes delaying my connection to the following 30 minutes later train, as it turns out, the previous connecting train was delayed for 1h blocked at the station, so I got to jump into the 1h delayed train, instead of the one that would be coming in 30m later, which got to depart 5 minutes after I jumped into it. The poor souls on that 1h delayed train weren't so happy as me.