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Trust is lost forever. These are good times for Wordpress alternatives to shine.

by sccxy 2y ago

beezle 2y ago
What's a good alternative to say the Wordpress personal plan? (note: its a goodness of heart type thing for others so low cost is important)
- ValentineC 2y ago
  WordPress dot org is free if self-hosted. WordPress dot com has a free plan too. You should be more specific about what you're trying to achieve.
  - beezle 2y ago
    A fan blog that can get a lot of comments over a short span of time. Any alternative must have a hosted option, I'm not playing admin for something that already takes up a lot of my time, as I said out of the goodness of my heart and wallet. The best I can say for wordpress is that myself, other contributors and our commenters tolerate it, though quite often it leans towards hate it. I've yet to hear anyone say they love it hence the ask.
    - ValentineC 2y ago
      Static site generator like Astro/Eleventy/Hugo and Disqus, maybe. Take your pick of commenting platforms from this 2021 thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28258319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28258319
capitainenemo 2y ago
Drupal?
- chx 2y ago
  I am the last person in this world to malign Drupal, I have been contributing for twenty long, long years to it. But no, Drupal is not an alternative to Wordpress. Perhaps ten years ago but even then barely. Now? That's like saying a Kenworth semi is an alternative to a motorcycle. Sure, you can get from A to B on either but beyond that, they are really different tools for different jobs. Maybe the new "Drupal CMS" (nee Starshot) initiative will bring them into direct competition again. We will see.
  - moehm 2y ago
    I considered switching to Drupal. For which use cases do you think Drupal will shine? And for which not?
    - chx 2y ago
      I would rather answer the first one :) Multilingual is built into Drupal and as far as I am aware, it's a plugin for Wordpress. Complex permissions/access control is another area where Drupal is much stronger. And overall, the more complex the requirements are , the more likely Drupal will be the answer. Wordpress leans very heavily towards "here, install this, it'll work, you can tweak it and that's about it". Drupal gives you a gigantic bucket of LEGO. In other words, although it's a bit of an exaggeration but not badly, with Wordpress you start from a working website and there's only so far you can walk from that point. With Drupal, you need to walk quite a bit in the first place to get a good website but there's just no end how far you can walk.
      - moehm 2y ago
        Thanks, that helped a lot.
bradgessler 2y ago
If you are a Ruby or Rails dev, I built https://sitepress.cc/ https://sitepress.cc/ to run stand-alone, embedded in Rails, or as a static site compiler. It’s MIT licensed so anybody can use it, including people affiliated with WP Engine in any way, financially or otherwise.
consumer451 2y ago
Ghost.org seems pretty cool.
- mpol 2y ago
  I was expecting a commercial license, but it is MIT licensed, which holds promise.
- kolanos 2y ago
  Ghost (and similar companies) probably can't believe their luck with this Wordpress debacle.
- addedlovely 2y ago
  Would like to use it, but doesn't seem to have any custom field support which is very limiting.
- shash7 2y ago
  Ghost is good for blogging and newsletters. But that's the problem. Wordpress is used for much much more. You can use it as a CMS, LMS, news platform, saas platform, and much more. You can literally customize it to the bone. Ghost is a good alternative to wordpress, only if you're using it for 2-3 specific usecases.
  - qingcharles 2y ago
    Right. Almost all Wordpress installs are now non-blogging.
  - porker 2y ago
    > But that's the problem. Wordpress is used for much much more. You can use it as a CMS, LMS, news platform, saas platform, and much more. You can literally customize it to the bone. And that freedom is also its weakness. "When all you have is a hammer, ..." comes to mind. I've had to rescue enough booking systems, LMS's, and SaaS platforms built on WordPress with terrible performance or 20% of features not working to think this is a terrible approach. > Ghost is a good alternative to wordpress, only if you're using it for 2-3 specific usecases. That's no bad thing. More specialised tools help with performance and UX for those tasks.
mgrandl 2y ago
I migrated our company site from Wordpress to PayloadCMS and the difference is night and day. Payload is sooo good.
- marpstar 2y ago
  Agreed. I'm going all-in on Payload from here on out. Easier to declare custom post types than WordPress and without the need to explicitly disable any legacy cruft. I built my first app on it last Winter and it's only gotten better. v3 is incredibly easy to use, plus it's all TypeScript which is a huge plus for me personally... 12 years building sites on WP... not anymore.
throw16180339 2y ago
"It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett
bookofjoe 2y ago
I've been on Typepad for over 20 years but I can't recommend it: it's HORRIBLE!!

Trust is lost forever. These are good times for Wordpress alternatives to shine.

by sccxy 2y ago

Trust is lost forever. These are good times for Wordpress alternatives to shine.

What's a good alternative to say the Wordpress personal plan? (note: its a goodness of heart type thing for others so low cost is important)

ValentineC 2y ago
WordPress dot org is free if self-hosted. WordPress dot com has a free plan too. You should be more specific about what you're trying to achieve.
- beezle 2y ago
  A fan blog that can get a lot of comments over a short span of time. Any alternative must have a hosted option, I'm not playing admin for something that already takes up a lot of my time, as I said out of the goodness of my heart and wallet. The best I can say for wordpress is that myself, other contributors and our commenters tolerate it, though quite often it leans towards hate it. I've yet to hear anyone say they love it hence the ask.
  - ValentineC 2y ago
    Static site generator like Astro/Eleventy/Hugo and Disqus, maybe. Take your pick of commenting platforms from this 2021 thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28258319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28258319

capitainenemo 2y ago

Drupal?

chx 2y ago
I am the last person in this world to malign Drupal, I have been contributing for twenty long, long years to it. But no, Drupal is not an alternative to Wordpress. Perhaps ten years ago but even then barely. Now? That's like saying a Kenworth semi is an alternative to a motorcycle. Sure, you can get from A to B on either but beyond that, they are really different tools for different jobs. Maybe the new "Drupal CMS" (nee Starshot) initiative will bring them into direct competition again. We will see.
- moehm 2y ago
  I considered switching to Drupal. For which use cases do you think Drupal will shine? And for which not?
  - chx 2y ago
    I would rather answer the first one :) Multilingual is built into Drupal and as far as I am aware, it's a plugin for Wordpress. Complex permissions/access control is another area where Drupal is much stronger. And overall, the more complex the requirements are , the more likely Drupal will be the answer. Wordpress leans very heavily towards "here, install this, it'll work, you can tweak it and that's about it". Drupal gives you a gigantic bucket of LEGO. In other words, although it's a bit of an exaggeration but not badly, with Wordpress you start from a working website and there's only so far you can walk from that point. With Drupal, you need to walk quite a bit in the first place to get a good website but there's just no end how far you can walk.
    - moehm 2y ago
      Thanks, that helped a lot.

bradgessler 2y ago

If you are a Ruby or Rails dev, I built https://sitepress.cc/ https://sitepress.cc/ to run stand-alone, embedded in Rails, or as a static site compiler. It’s MIT licensed so anybody can use it, including people affiliated with WP Engine in any way, financially or otherwise.

consumer451 2y ago

Ghost.org seems pretty cool.

mpol 2y ago
I was expecting a commercial license, but it is MIT licensed, which holds promise.
kolanos 2y ago
Ghost (and similar companies) probably can't believe their luck with this Wordpress debacle.
addedlovely 2y ago
Would like to use it, but doesn't seem to have any custom field support which is very limiting.
shash7 2y ago
Ghost is good for blogging and newsletters. But that's the problem. Wordpress is used for much much more. You can use it as a CMS, LMS, news platform, saas platform, and much more. You can literally customize it to the bone. Ghost is a good alternative to wordpress, only if you're using it for 2-3 specific usecases.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  Right. Almost all Wordpress installs are now non-blogging.
- porker 2y ago
  > But that's the problem. Wordpress is used for much much more. You can use it as a CMS, LMS, news platform, saas platform, and much more. You can literally customize it to the bone. And that freedom is also its weakness. "When all you have is a hammer, ..." comes to mind. I've had to rescue enough booking systems, LMS's, and SaaS platforms built on WordPress with terrible performance or 20% of features not working to think this is a terrible approach. > Ghost is a good alternative to wordpress, only if you're using it for 2-3 specific usecases. That's no bad thing. More specialised tools help with performance and UX for those tasks.

mgrandl 2y ago

I migrated our company site from Wordpress to PayloadCMS and the difference is night and day. Payload is sooo good.

marpstar 2y ago
Agreed. I'm going all-in on Payload from here on out. Easier to declare custom post types than WordPress and without the need to explicitly disable any legacy cruft. I built my first app on it last Winter and it's only gotten better. v3 is incredibly easy to use, plus it's all TypeScript which is a huge plus for me personally... 12 years building sites on WP... not anymore.

throw16180339 2y ago

"It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett

bookofjoe 2y ago

I've been on Typepad for over 20 years but I can't recommend it: it's HORRIBLE!!