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People do not protest when the government is already doing what they think is right. What should people do, meet up just to chant "thanks for doing the thing,

People do not protest when the government is already doing what they think is right. What should people do, meet up just to chant "thanks for doing the thing, keep doing it" ?

consumer451 2y ago
As others have mentioned in this thread, russia is a terrorist state. This is but one example. How about at least pushing officials to give an honest answer as to why they are not on the list of terrorist states?
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  The honest answer is they have a lot of ICBMs. And besides, what would it do? We’ve got no more sanctions left. Short of invading (which nobody is going to do because of those ICBMs) there’s nothing left to do. We shot our wad on Ukraine sanctions. At this point unless we somehow convince the big nations that still trade with them (like China) to stop, we’ve got no levers to pull, and we don’t care enough to give China whatever massive ask they’d have for that.
  - actionfromafar 2y ago
    What to do? Instead of only giving them scraps, send some serious weapons their way. Stop the trickle support, step up.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    > The honest answer is they have a lot of ICBMs. That is not the honest answer. Also, the response to the threat of ICBMs is well known, it's called mutually assured destruction. The honest answer is that it would lead to sanctions on countries who continue to do business with russia. These are countries who we could like to consider as allies, such as India.
    - mattmaroon 2y ago
      Not really. Why would it? Those same allies trade with other nations we’ve designated as terrorists. And we’ve already pulled basically every sanction lever against Russia anyway. At this point we’ve probably sanctioned them more than anyone we call a terrorist state. The difference is nukes.
      - consumer451 2y ago
        I respect your opinion, even though I disagree. FYI, the website in your bio is down.
        mattmaroon 2y ago
        Ha I think I joined here in 2007. It worked back then.
        consumer451 2y ago
        The only reason that I found this is that I recently made a Firefox extension that shows a tooltip with the user's bio, when hovering over a username on this site. I am not sure what to name it, HN Inappropriate Snoop?
  - vlovich123 2y ago
    No, the honest answer is much more mundane - natural gas and Europe’s continued reliance on it to get through the winter and keep overall energy costs a bit more controlled. Who knew that denuclearizing the energy grid would have such benefit for Russia /sarcasm.
card_zero 2y ago
That would be nice, yes. Like in Civilization where if the citizens are really happy they hold a "we love the king" event. Then your population expands a lot immediately after.

People do not protest when the government is already doing what they think is right. What should people do, meet up just to chant "thanks for doing the thing, keep doing it" ?

consumer451 2y ago

As others have mentioned in this thread, russia is a terrorist state. This is but one example. How about at least pushing officials to give an honest answer as to why they are not on the list of terrorist states?

mattmaroon 2y ago
The honest answer is they have a lot of ICBMs. And besides, what would it do? We’ve got no more sanctions left. Short of invading (which nobody is going to do because of those ICBMs) there’s nothing left to do. We shot our wad on Ukraine sanctions. At this point unless we somehow convince the big nations that still trade with them (like China) to stop, we’ve got no levers to pull, and we don’t care enough to give China whatever massive ask they’d have for that.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  What to do? Instead of only giving them scraps, send some serious weapons their way. Stop the trickle support, step up.
- consumer451 2y ago
  > The honest answer is they have a lot of ICBMs. That is not the honest answer. Also, the response to the threat of ICBMs is well known, it's called mutually assured destruction. The honest answer is that it would lead to sanctions on countries who continue to do business with russia. These are countries who we could like to consider as allies, such as India.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    Not really. Why would it? Those same allies trade with other nations we’ve designated as terrorists. And we’ve already pulled basically every sanction lever against Russia anyway. At this point we’ve probably sanctioned them more than anyone we call a terrorist state. The difference is nukes.
    - consumer451 2y ago
      I respect your opinion, even though I disagree. FYI, the website in your bio is down.
      - mattmaroon 2y ago
        Ha I think I joined here in 2007. It worked back then.
        consumer451 2y ago
        The only reason that I found this is that I recently made a Firefox extension that shows a tooltip with the user's bio, when hovering over a username on this site. I am not sure what to name it, HN Inappropriate Snoop?
- vlovich123 2y ago
  No, the honest answer is much more mundane - natural gas and Europe’s continued reliance on it to get through the winter and keep overall energy costs a bit more controlled. Who knew that denuclearizing the energy grid would have such benefit for Russia /sarcasm.

card_zero 2y ago

That would be nice, yes. Like in Civilization where if the citizens are really happy they hold a "we love the king" event. Then your population expands a lot immediately after.