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I used to like AvE till COVID. Then he became an anti-masker conspiratorial nutjob.

by ravetcofx 2y ago

nkrisc 2y ago
I mean, kind of sounds like he never really changed, just your opinion of him did.
- zen928 2y ago
  Framed differently, it sounds like the youtuber opportunisticially divulged some of their true thoughts on topics slowly over time that would have alienated members of their audience had they known who and what they were initially supporting. Pretty cowardly, but not an uncommon tactic amongst his similar peers. In light of receiving new information that goes against your own tenants against poorly researched misinformation, changing your opinion isn't really a noteworthy response.
  - the_gorilla 2y ago
    > Framed differently Framed in an insane way by someone looking to denigrate someone they don't like. I have no idea who you're targeting but you obviously have a chip on your shoulder.
    - zen928 2y ago
      Duly noted.
cruffle_duffle 2y ago
I mean he was 100% right about all of that; history will not look fondly upon societys hysterical reaction to Covid, so… I think he took a lot of shit for “coming out of the closet” in that regard and he’s never been the same. There was (and apparently still are) a lot of incredibly sanctimonious busy body’s out there who absolutely loved the power trip Covid gave them and they were more than happy to harass, threaten, and be incredibly disrespectful to people who disagreed with the mainstream narrative. As somebody in the same boat as AvE, watching people who you knew and respected turn against you the way so many people did is pretty brutal and fucks you up pretty good. Honestly it was scary as fuck how so people completely lost their minds after being fed non-stop fear porn and propaganda. Lots of parallels to some pretty fucked up atrocities—I can now see how “normal people” can turn so evil and corrupt they’d kill their neighbors and families. Multiple people I knew and respected wished me a horrific death for expressing my opinions… I’m sure if we continued this conversation and it was allowed on this forum you too would verbally wish at my death. Scary fucking shit. I mean god forbid anybody express any disagreement with perhaps the most authoritarian, unscientific power grab in human history. The shit that went down was pure evil. Thank god some people had the courage to speak out against it even if it cost them so dearly.
- sieabahlpark 2y ago
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- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  Disagreement is healthy. What was unhealthy is that it was dangerous to disagree. People who thought we should just ride covid out were, more often than not, simply unaware of the nuances of covid vs a cold or something similar. People who thought we should hide in our homes until it was eradicated were similarly unaware of the implicit harms of that choice. A healthy discourse with people willing to concede and compromise would have landed us somewhere sane. Disagreement would have been part of finding a sensible conclusion. What failed was our ability to do just that. Somehow we totally blew it.
  - cruffle_duffle 2y ago
    We were all told to shut the fuck up and listen to a handful of cherry picked “doomsday experts” who refused to follow their own data, didn’t follow their own science and refused to acknowledge that society has millions of problems beyond one very single, very specific thing. And if we didn’t follow their edict’s or if we were to express any doubt of any kind, we were evil alt-right grandma killers who deserved horrible Covid deaths. Heathy discourse was absolutely not allowed. You were either 100% on board with whatever crazy shit your local politicians threw against the wall or you were a pile of shit sub human scumball. Didn’t matter they had no definition of success, no long term gameplan, no acknowledgment of the harms they were causing… in fact it didn’t even matter that these experts and politicians didn’t follow their own policies, you were told to suck it up buttercup this is the “new normal” and it’s forever. I don’t think this is a “both sides have a good argument” kind of deal. What the Covid “side” did was abhorrent and history will not look fondly on them at all.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      > What the Covid “side” did was abhorrent and history will not look fondly on them at all. History will look on this the same way as it did on Spanish Flu: Barely at all, even when it has valuable lessons for the next pandemic. The former told me that people would stop wearing masks very very quickly.
b59831 2y ago
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mardifoufs 2y ago
From what I've seen about AvE he was mostly against the (batshit insane) reaction from the federal government to the truckers convoy in Ottawa. That's the only video that he made specifically about COVID I think (I don't know if he mentioned something else in other videos though). Not sure if that makes him a nutjob lol
- Neywiny 2y ago
  Early on he made fun of people who wore masks. I'd watched almost every video for years before that but as one of many impacted by others not taking covid seriously, I went cold turkey.
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    Tbh it's fine to make fun of that, as long as it's not insulting or conspirational. I've seen tons of humour about masks and mask wearers in the past few years, which makes sense considering how widespread masks were. It's not about taking COVID seriously or not imo, but I guess it depends on one's sense of humour. The way some people who took COVID very seriously acted was very funny, regardless of intentions. Still, maybe I've missed something ( I don't watch AvE Usually, and watched only a few of his videos in general).
    - Neywiny 2y ago
      People deal with grief differently and that's ok, but for me it meant cutting out people who made fun of things that would've kept more of my family alive (I also stopped laughing at covidiot memes). If everyone masked & vaxxed, we could've done so much better. But when public figures turn it into a "thing", it doesn't help anyone. I won't be able to find the video but I do remember AvE making very toxic masculinity comments about masks. Just wasn't what I needed at the time. I'm sure if I hadn't seen that specific part I would still be watching him.
bogdanstanciu 2y ago
Always felt AvE stayed the same person he always, the same kind of commentary he always made. Low gov man with low gov sentiments.
2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
He did multiple vidjayos debunking spontaneously combusting oily rags and then offhandedly mentions that 9/11 was an inside job. You've got your forensic engineering priorities backwards!
GenerocUsername 2y ago
Oh awesome. Subscribed
thecatspaw 2y ago
you might be interested in This Old Tony

I used to like AvE till COVID. Then he became an anti-masker conspiratorial nutjob.

nkrisc 2y ago

I mean, kind of sounds like he never really changed, just your opinion of him did.

zen928 2y ago
Framed differently, it sounds like the youtuber opportunisticially divulged some of their true thoughts on topics slowly over time that would have alienated members of their audience had they known who and what they were initially supporting. Pretty cowardly, but not an uncommon tactic amongst his similar peers. In light of receiving new information that goes against your own tenants against poorly researched misinformation, changing your opinion isn't really a noteworthy response.
- the_gorilla 2y ago
  > Framed differently Framed in an insane way by someone looking to denigrate someone they don't like. I have no idea who you're targeting but you obviously have a chip on your shoulder.
  - zen928 2y ago
    Duly noted.

cruffle_duffle 2y ago

I mean he was 100% right about all of that; history will not look fondly upon societys hysterical reaction to Covid, so… I think he took a lot of shit for “coming out of the closet” in that regard and he’s never been the same. There was (and apparently still are) a lot of incredibly sanctimonious busy body’s out there who absolutely loved the power trip Covid gave them and they were more than happy to harass, threaten, and be incredibly disrespectful to people who disagreed with the mainstream narrative. As somebody in the same boat as AvE, watching people who you knew and respected turn against you the way so many people did is pretty brutal and fucks you up pretty good. Honestly it was scary as fuck how so people completely lost their minds after being fed non-stop fear porn and propaganda. Lots of parallels to some pretty fucked up atrocities—I can now see how “normal people” can turn so evil and corrupt they’d kill their neighbors and families. Multiple people I knew and respected wished me a horrific death for expressing my opinions… I’m sure if we continued this conversation and it was allowed on this forum you too would verbally wish at my death. Scary fucking shit. I mean god forbid anybody express any disagreement with perhaps the most authoritarian, unscientific power grab in human history. The shit that went down was pure evil. Thank god some people had the courage to speak out against it even if it cost them so dearly.

sieabahlpark 2y ago
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steve_adams_86 2y ago
Disagreement is healthy. What was unhealthy is that it was dangerous to disagree. People who thought we should just ride covid out were, more often than not, simply unaware of the nuances of covid vs a cold or something similar. People who thought we should hide in our homes until it was eradicated were similarly unaware of the implicit harms of that choice. A healthy discourse with people willing to concede and compromise would have landed us somewhere sane. Disagreement would have been part of finding a sensible conclusion. What failed was our ability to do just that. Somehow we totally blew it.
- cruffle_duffle 2y ago
  We were all told to shut the fuck up and listen to a handful of cherry picked “doomsday experts” who refused to follow their own data, didn’t follow their own science and refused to acknowledge that society has millions of problems beyond one very single, very specific thing. And if we didn’t follow their edict’s or if we were to express any doubt of any kind, we were evil alt-right grandma killers who deserved horrible Covid deaths. Heathy discourse was absolutely not allowed. You were either 100% on board with whatever crazy shit your local politicians threw against the wall or you were a pile of shit sub human scumball. Didn’t matter they had no definition of success, no long term gameplan, no acknowledgment of the harms they were causing… in fact it didn’t even matter that these experts and politicians didn’t follow their own policies, you were told to suck it up buttercup this is the “new normal” and it’s forever. I don’t think this is a “both sides have a good argument” kind of deal. What the Covid “side” did was abhorrent and history will not look fondly on them at all.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > What the Covid “side” did was abhorrent and history will not look fondly on them at all. History will look on this the same way as it did on Spanish Flu: Barely at all, even when it has valuable lessons for the next pandemic. The former told me that people would stop wearing masks very very quickly.

b59831 2y ago

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mardifoufs 2y ago

From what I've seen about AvE he was mostly against the (batshit insane) reaction from the federal government to the truckers convoy in Ottawa. That's the only video that he made specifically about COVID I think (I don't know if he mentioned something else in other videos though). Not sure if that makes him a nutjob lol

Neywiny 2y ago
Early on he made fun of people who wore masks. I'd watched almost every video for years before that but as one of many impacted by others not taking covid seriously, I went cold turkey.
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  Tbh it's fine to make fun of that, as long as it's not insulting or conspirational. I've seen tons of humour about masks and mask wearers in the past few years, which makes sense considering how widespread masks were. It's not about taking COVID seriously or not imo, but I guess it depends on one's sense of humour. The way some people who took COVID very seriously acted was very funny, regardless of intentions. Still, maybe I've missed something ( I don't watch AvE Usually, and watched only a few of his videos in general).
  - Neywiny 2y ago
    People deal with grief differently and that's ok, but for me it meant cutting out people who made fun of things that would've kept more of my family alive (I also stopped laughing at covidiot memes). If everyone masked & vaxxed, we could've done so much better. But when public figures turn it into a "thing", it doesn't help anyone. I won't be able to find the video but I do remember AvE making very toxic masculinity comments about masks. Just wasn't what I needed at the time. I'm sure if I hadn't seen that specific part I would still be watching him.

bogdanstanciu 2y ago

Always felt AvE stayed the same person he always, the same kind of commentary he always made. Low gov man with low gov sentiments.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

He did multiple vidjayos debunking spontaneously combusting oily rags and then offhandedly mentions that 9/11 was an inside job. You've got your forensic engineering priorities backwards!

GenerocUsername 2y ago

Oh awesome. Subscribed

thecatspaw 2y ago

you might be interested in This Old Tony