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Would you like a list of the hours needed to deshittify Windows (and free disk space)? Preventing macos telemetry is another time sink. There’s no free lunch.

tavavex 2y ago
I don't think it's that bad, the duration is certainly not enumerated in hours, at least on Windows. It depends on how high a standard you have, but since other people were long aware of the issue, third-party scripts and software to automate a lot of the tedium exist and work pretty well, anything else can be smoothed out by hand.
- exe34 2y ago
  so you don't trust ms but you trust a script from some guy in his mom's basement in Russia?
  - tavavex 2y ago
    Any such tools that are worth their salt have their code posted publicly, you can check it yourself. Most of it isn't some groundbreaking stuff, a lot can be stripped out by just changing registry values and other deeply-ingrained settings that would take a long time to find and edit by hand. I also don't see how "trust into Microsoft" factors in here - it's not about trust, we know there's telemetry that can't be disabled through standard settings, and I know there are features I'd like to uproot entirely (like deep OneDrive integration).
    - exe34 2y ago
      Yeah I can't deal with rug pulls every version. I use xmonad on linux, with no rug for anybody to pull on me.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  Freeing up the disk space in a VM is definitely an hours long struggle the first time, must count research time into it as well. I did it last year. Don’t forget the privacy tweaks and research. Sure you could script most of it, like anywhere.
bufferoverflow 2y ago
I've never had to deshittify Windows, everything just works. But every time install Linux, I have to spend hours searching for little configuration problems. Like why Ctrl+C doesn't work in the terminal. Why doesn't Shift+arrow select text? Yes, there are solutions for these problems, but you have either install some crap or copy-paste stuff into config files.
- dsego 2y ago
  > Like why Ctrl+C doesn't work in the terminal. Bad example, this is the same as asking why doesn't sudo work in windows.
  - mrcsharp 2y ago
    Sudo is a thing now in Windows [1] [1] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/introducing-sudo-for-windows/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/introducing-sudo-...
  - bboygravity 2y ago
    sudo literally works in Windows. Both in Windows itself as well as in WSL.
- anthk 2y ago
  >Ctrl-C Ctrl-C it's a signal. Now, try creating these folders under Windows: - NUL - AUX - PRN - COM Good luck.
  - bufferoverflow 2y ago
    I don't care about creating such folders. But I care about Ctrl+C working. Your obscure requirements are meaningless.
    - consteval 2y ago
      I'm happy to report Ctrl+C doesn't work in cmd either. Also if Windows is perfect out of the box then just use Windows. For me, I'd always have to spend hours configuring Windows to not be shitty and to adapt to my workflow. At that point I'm better off just running Debian.

tavavex 2y ago

I don't think it's that bad, the duration is certainly not enumerated in hours, at least on Windows. It depends on how high a standard you have, but since other people were long aware of the issue, third-party scripts and software to automate a lot of the tedium exist and work pretty well, anything else can be smoothed out by hand.

exe34 2y ago
so you don't trust ms but you trust a script from some guy in his mom's basement in Russia?
- tavavex 2y ago
  Any such tools that are worth their salt have their code posted publicly, you can check it yourself. Most of it isn't some groundbreaking stuff, a lot can be stripped out by just changing registry values and other deeply-ingrained settings that would take a long time to find and edit by hand. I also don't see how "trust into Microsoft" factors in here - it's not about trust, we know there's telemetry that can't be disabled through standard settings, and I know there are features I'd like to uproot entirely (like deep OneDrive integration).
  - exe34 2y ago
    Yeah I can't deal with rug pulls every version. I use xmonad on linux, with no rug for anybody to pull on me.
mixmastamyk 2y ago
Freeing up the disk space in a VM is definitely an hours long struggle the first time, must count research time into it as well. I did it last year. Don’t forget the privacy tweaks and research. Sure you could script most of it, like anywhere.

bufferoverflow 2y ago

I've never had to deshittify Windows, everything just works. But every time install Linux, I have to spend hours searching for little configuration problems. Like why Ctrl+C doesn't work in the terminal. Why doesn't Shift+arrow select text? Yes, there are solutions for these problems, but you have either install some crap or copy-paste stuff into config files.

dsego 2y ago
> Like why Ctrl+C doesn't work in the terminal. Bad example, this is the same as asking why doesn't sudo work in windows.
- mrcsharp 2y ago
  Sudo is a thing now in Windows [1] [1] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/introducing-sudo-for-windows/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/introducing-sudo-...
- bboygravity 2y ago
  sudo literally works in Windows. Both in Windows itself as well as in WSL.
anthk 2y ago
>Ctrl-C Ctrl-C it's a signal. Now, try creating these folders under Windows: - NUL - AUX - PRN - COM Good luck.
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  I don't care about creating such folders. But I care about Ctrl+C working. Your obscure requirements are meaningless.
  - consteval 2y ago
    I'm happy to report Ctrl+C doesn't work in cmd either. Also if Windows is perfect out of the box then just use Windows. For me, I'd always have to spend hours configuring Windows to not be shitty and to adapt to my workflow. At that point I'm better off just running Debian.