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This comment ignores the possible effectiveness of both psilocybin and SSRIs and focuses on the usefulness of the research itself. I actually believe that both
by jtrn 2y ago
This comment ignores the possible effectiveness of both psilocybin and SSRIs and focuses on the usefulness of the research itself. I actually believe that both have a role in psychiatry, but this study tells me nothing with regards to therapy.
Working as a clinical psychologist, who also reads a lot of research, this study is just another brick in the wall that I am banging my head against when it comes to doing actual evidence-based therapy. I actually read the entire paper and the pre-registration. The title on Medscape and the article are, to me, completely reading the research wrong, and just another example of the actual research design and findings living in a different universe than the press release and subsequent discussion.
Let me try to communicate why I feel this way by summarizing the research in my way, as opposed to the title: "Psilocybin Bests SSRI for Major Depression in First Long-Term Comparison."
Hers my take:
Research finds no significant difference between psilocybin and SSRI in the primary outcome from pre-registration (self-reported depression on an emailed form), even when only administering SSRI for 6 weeks, where the maximum effect of SSRI is expected at 12 weeks. As such, this does not even qualify as standard treatment with SSRI. This is after excluding 90% of the applicants for the study. The effectiveness is primary supported by p-hacking, as seen by reporting additional measures not in the registered, where some of them favor psilocybin. And SSRI actually scores BETTER in the main outcome.
Now, someone might come along and call me cynical, mistaken, or worse. But having been through this with biofeedback, metacognitive therapy, light therapy, mindfulness therapy, and ketamine treatment already, I can clearly see the same pattern: lying by omission, p-hacking, not taking into account the "decline effect," borderline acceptable results. It all culminates in a big nothingburger, and any progress for my field remains stagnant. Based on the quality of this study, I am certain that if we just aggressively started treating depression with psilocybin, I just know that it wouldn't make much difference, because I have been through it before with the exact same numbers and effect sizes, just different treatment modalities.
Here is the best indication I found for SSRI: Resistant phobic anxiety (panic attacks that don't stop even after long exposure), and burnout-related depression (person worked normally their whole life but is suddenly just empty of energy and does not look forward to anything with joy). These are examples that very often make a big difference with SSRI, in conjunction with therapy.
Psilocybin seems to work best for existential depression and anxiety that is driven by pathological self-focus (not egotism, but inability to stop focusing on one's own inner states).
But these personal theories are just that, and the studies that keep getting funding are very seldom useful, at least for me, as I genuinely am trying my best to help my patients.
- zozbot234 2y ago> ... burnout-related depression (person worked normally their whole life but is suddenly just empty of energy and does not look forward to anything with joy) ... existential depression and anxiety that is driven by pathological self-focus (not egotism, but inability to stop focusing on one's own inner states) Is there any rigorous operationalization of these concepts, that might be explored in further studies? Unless one can be found, these fuzzy, heavily qualitative descriptions are unlikely to be helpful for future researchers.
- jtrn 2y agoIt's counterintuitive to me that a more specific concept/subgroup of a phenomenon would be less useful than a larger catch-all category. Is the self-rated questionnaire depression scale used in this study a good "rigorously operationalized concept"? We are successfully treating people with this exact kind of indication/operationalization with real success already. For instance, the indication criteria for ECT basically follow the "burnout profile" I described above, with the addition of "treatment resistant to therapy and medication," and it has shown by far the best effectiveness for that kind of depression. I completely disagree that it's not possible to operationalize the concepts above, for instance with standard BDI or MADRS, supplemented with a ratio with a cutoff to indicate a large fall in everyday functioning. Like an extremely large fall in Global Functioning Scale (GAF) localized to a distinct and pattern-breaking period in a person's life. If you think that these concepts are fuzzy and qualitative, I really hope you have even greater criticism towards this study, not to speak of concepts like anxiety, trauma, and ADHD, which are completely off the rails when it comes to diffuseness and subjectivity. But even if you are right, that burnout-depression and existential anxiety are not possible to study because of their vagueness, it still would not make this study helpful as it's presented. Or am I mistaken? Do you think it's a good and helpful study, whose implications I should fight for in our clinic? And would I see a marked improvement in our patients, compared to SSRIs for the "Depression" group? I am willing to admit I am wrong. The only goal is to actually help people.
- krzat 2y agoPsychiatry seems to be very symptom based, depression is an umbrella term for many completely different problems that show as "big sad". Maybe it would be more productive to base diagnosis on some kind of brain imaging.