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>"... in a firefight, police are taught to hide behind a car’s engine block"< So the cop should possibly orient himself so that his/her head, heart and lungs [

>"... in a firefight, police are taught to hide behind a car’s engine block"< So the cop should possibly orient himself so that his/her head, heart and lungs [and maybe even his/her nuts, if (s)he has 'em] are protected by the engine block ? Good luck with that! Most cops are larger than most engine blocks. Hiding behind an auto engine block is almost certainly a "Hail Mary" move in a firefight. If you do the math (and compute protection vs officer orientation relative to the shooter(s) and to the engine block) better strategies are to: - hide - seek concealment, leave if possible, - run - move away from shooter(s), - if you are legally required to stay and have a weapon and if you can shoot it well, provide covering fire (to keep the shooter down). Whilst moving away won't provide protection from a stray bullet, our 3-d world's geometry reduces very rapidly the odds of being hit as you move away from a shooter. The instinctual urges to flee and/or "hit the deck" (lie flat, play dead, etc. until you can see where to flee) are useful. This is boosted by the fact that most people, cops and otherwise, cannot shoot a firearm (esp. a handgun) accurately. If you have the bad luck to be in a shootout with a marksman who can keep his cool under fire, then you're likely SOL. But the above advice (hide and run) remains valid. Summary: the presence of an engine block for protection is not a convincing argument against the use of EVs for law enforcement. I like this: https://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Being-Shot https://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Being-Shot and this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hu4srd/whats_the_stupidest_thing_to_hide_behind_when/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/hu4srd/whats_the...

wakawaka28 2y ago
These are police officers. They aren't supposed to run away from gun fights as a first option. They need to at least try to engage and shut down the threat. >hide - seek concealment, leave if possible That is exactly what the engine block thing is for. It is a last resort but the alternative is to likely get shot through the vehicle or get shot in the back running away from your actual job. Not to mention, an EV can get shot in the battery leading to a huge fire, possibly incinerating anyone locked in the back seat of the car. EV fires are often sudden and often accompanied by explosions, whereas petrol-fueled cars are very difficult to ignite in a gunfight (contrary to the ridiculous explosions that Hollywood shows). Summary: You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The cops, many of whom are combat veterans on top of their police training, DO understand the threats.
- giardini 2y ago
  [I'd pointed out that hiding behind a car's engine block is not optimal and likely a waste of cognitive and physical energy but the "you don't have a clue" statement by wakawaka28 rileD me...] wakawaka28 says >"...the alternative is to likely get shot through the vehicle or get shot in the back running away..."< I beg to differ: odds are very much against getting hit at all while fleeing, hiding, or even while staying and doing nothing!. Why? 1. The world is BIG, bullets are small and- there's lots of room to run and/or hide. Furthermore: 2. Few can shoot a firearm, - fewer can shoot accurately, - fewer still can shoot moving objects, - fewer still can shoot a fleeing person and - next to none can kill/disable a fleeing person. Sorry to burst your bubble, Deadeye. Do the math!8-)) wakawaka28 says >"...Summary: You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The cops, many of whom are combat veterans on top of their police training, DO understand the threats."< The average police officer can expect to serve out his entire career w/o having to draw his service revolver in self defense. I am fairly certain that few police officers/veterans understand probability in the real world. But they are good men (mostly) and women and a (somewhat selected) cross-section of society. They, for the most part, pay attention to where they are directed.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    >The world is BIG, bullets are small and- there's lots of room to run and/or hide. You're talking about an object moving at least 1000 feet per second, one with many friends, in most cases, and aimed by someone who probably has a basic understanding of how to hit a human-sized target. >Few can shoot a firearm, >- fewer can shoot accurately, >- fewer still can shoot moving objects, >- fewer still can shoot a fleeing person and >- next to none can kill/disable a fleeing person. You truly don't know what you're talking about. Handguns are not the only threat, and they are not so hard to use. Rifles and shotguns are far easier to aim. >The average police officer can expect to serve out his entire career w/o having to draw his service revolver in self defense. Again you prove your ignorance. Almost no police carry revolvers due to the fact that technology has improved. A revolver typically holds 5 or 6 rounds and is difficult to reload. There are many inexpensive handguns that can fire 3x as many rounds minimum. >I am fairly certain that few police officers/veterans understand probability in the real world. But they are good men (mostly) and women and a (somewhat selected) cross-section of society. They, for the most part, pay attention to where they are directed. Yeah you're gonna go lecture combat veterans to tell them how their lame af EV is good, and they don't have to worry about getting hit by one of 10 to 50 bullets fired at them because probability is on their side. Get your head out of your backside man.

wakawaka28 2y ago

These are police officers. They aren't supposed to run away from gun fights as a first option. They need to at least try to engage and shut down the threat. >hide - seek concealment, leave if possible That is exactly what the engine block thing is for. It is a last resort but the alternative is to likely get shot through the vehicle or get shot in the back running away from your actual job. Not to mention, an EV can get shot in the battery leading to a huge fire, possibly incinerating anyone locked in the back seat of the car. EV fires are often sudden and often accompanied by explosions, whereas petrol-fueled cars are very difficult to ignite in a gunfight (contrary to the ridiculous explosions that Hollywood shows). Summary: You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The cops, many of whom are combat veterans on top of their police training, DO understand the threats.

giardini 2y ago
[I'd pointed out that hiding behind a car's engine block is not optimal and likely a waste of cognitive and physical energy but the "you don't have a clue" statement by wakawaka28 rileD me...] wakawaka28 says >"...the alternative is to likely get shot through the vehicle or get shot in the back running away..."< I beg to differ: odds are very much against getting hit at all while fleeing, hiding, or even while staying and doing nothing!. Why? 1. The world is BIG, bullets are small and- there's lots of room to run and/or hide. Furthermore: 2. Few can shoot a firearm, - fewer can shoot accurately, - fewer still can shoot moving objects, - fewer still can shoot a fleeing person and - next to none can kill/disable a fleeing person. Sorry to burst your bubble, Deadeye. Do the math!8-)) wakawaka28 says >"...Summary: You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The cops, many of whom are combat veterans on top of their police training, DO understand the threats."< The average police officer can expect to serve out his entire career w/o having to draw his service revolver in self defense. I am fairly certain that few police officers/veterans understand probability in the real world. But they are good men (mostly) and women and a (somewhat selected) cross-section of society. They, for the most part, pay attention to where they are directed.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  >The world is BIG, bullets are small and- there's lots of room to run and/or hide. You're talking about an object moving at least 1000 feet per second, one with many friends, in most cases, and aimed by someone who probably has a basic understanding of how to hit a human-sized target. >Few can shoot a firearm, >- fewer can shoot accurately, >- fewer still can shoot moving objects, >- fewer still can shoot a fleeing person and >- next to none can kill/disable a fleeing person. You truly don't know what you're talking about. Handguns are not the only threat, and they are not so hard to use. Rifles and shotguns are far easier to aim. >The average police officer can expect to serve out his entire career w/o having to draw his service revolver in self defense. Again you prove your ignorance. Almost no police carry revolvers due to the fact that technology has improved. A revolver typically holds 5 or 6 rounds and is difficult to reload. There are many inexpensive handguns that can fire 3x as many rounds minimum. >I am fairly certain that few police officers/veterans understand probability in the real world. But they are good men (mostly) and women and a (somewhat selected) cross-section of society. They, for the most part, pay attention to where they are directed. Yeah you're gonna go lecture combat veterans to tell them how their lame af EV is good, and they don't have to worry about getting hit by one of 10 to 50 bullets fired at them because probability is on their side. Get your head out of your backside man.