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It’s your assumption that 90%+ of people don’t do this that is the issue. People seem to think that once these drugs became popular, suddenly obese people arou

by borski 2y ago

It’s your assumption that 90%+ of people don’t do this that is the issue. People seem to think that once these drugs became popular, suddenly obese people around the world awoke from a deep slumber, like zombies, and decided to see a doctor for the first time in their lives about their weight. Please. These people are walking into doctor’s office having given up hope because most of them have, to one extent or another, tried everything. Our society does not make it pleasant to be obese, no matter how you feel about body positivity or anything else. The implication that obese people have never considered or tried eating less, working out more, etc., is in and of itself the problem. It implies laziness and imbues negative morality, when the reality is that most people who are obese know it, hate it, and have tried most of their lives to overcome it, unsuccessfully. So now that there’s a medication that can help kickstart their creation of new habits for the first time in their lives, I don’t see how that is a bad thing.

ak_111 2y ago
Where did I make assumption that majority of obesity drug users don’t put this effort? I was more saying majority of those who try what the poster tried end up not needing the drug. These two statements are very different and it is a common logical fallacy to conflate them.
- borski 2y ago
  > I think it is because if 90% of the population did half of what you do (and kudos for you for doing it), they wouldn't have a problem with weight, you just happen to be one of the unlucky few where it doesn't work and these drugs are useful. From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41813589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41813589 It is simply not true that if 90% of the population “tried to lose weight the right way” that they wouldn’t have a problem with it. That is an assumption you are making, and the underlying postulate is that that same 90% hasn’t tried.
  - shinycode 2y ago
    I agree, how can anyone comes at this number ? Is there a study of any kind backing up this number ? Or is it just garbage empirical evidence from what the poster saw around him (which cannot possibly represent 90% of people). Does the poster know the life of obese people to arrive at this number or is it just a belief/sterotype

by borski 2y ago

ak_111 2y ago

Where did I make assumption that majority of obesity drug users don’t put this effort? I was more saying majority of those who try what the poster tried end up not needing the drug. These two statements are very different and it is a common logical fallacy to conflate them.

borski 2y ago
> I think it is because if 90% of the population did half of what you do (and kudos for you for doing it), they wouldn't have a problem with weight, you just happen to be one of the unlucky few where it doesn't work and these drugs are useful. From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41813589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41813589 It is simply not true that if 90% of the population “tried to lose weight the right way” that they wouldn’t have a problem with it. That is an assumption you are making, and the underlying postulate is that that same 90% hasn’t tried.
- shinycode 2y ago
  I agree, how can anyone comes at this number ? Is there a study of any kind backing up this number ? Or is it just garbage empirical evidence from what the poster saw around him (which cannot possibly represent 90% of people). Does the poster know the life of obese people to arrive at this number or is it just a belief/sterotype