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That's not clear cut. There clearly exist plenty of combinations of "situation + physician" where this is not the best thing to do. To claim otherwise may as we

by maeil 2y ago

That's not clear cut. There clearly exist plenty of combinations of "situation + physician" where this is not the best thing to do. To claim otherwise may as well be religious dogma.

phoronixrly 2y ago
I'm sorry, but how is trusting a person who dedicated 10+ years of their life studying/practicing this, and relying on rigorous safety and effectiveness research of drugs religious dogma? Are you sure you know what religion is? Are you sure you know what science is? Are you just trolling?
- beagle3 2y ago
  If you actually read the effectiveness and safety research with a critical eye, you would realize “rigorous” is often the wrong adjective, whereas “cherry picked” to the point of “fraudulent” is often more in line with reality. Case in point: 50,000 people died, with about 5 times as many suffering life-changing serious adverse events, from “rigorous research” on the safety of Vioxx. Yes, it has since been pulled from the market, which FDA apologists often construe as “system working as designed”. No, it isn’t, even in the least, when you go into the details. Also: Purdue and OxyContin. Regulatory capture of the FDA is decades old at this point. Ignoring that is not a rational or healthy position.
- farts_mckensy 2y ago
  I don't know, why don't we ask my colon? Oh, wait, we can't. I was prescribed accutane, subsequently got ulcerative colitis so bad that they had to remove the organ entirely. The surgeon said my colon was literally falling apart in his hands as he took it out. Blind deference to authority of doctors lead to this situation. They do not always make great decisions, especially if there is a financial incentive for them to do otherwise.
- maeil 2y ago
  I'm not trolling, see my reply elsewhere. Do you not know anyone who has spent many years of their life doing something and are still rather poor at it? You probably do. You may even have such a skill yourself - I certainly do!
bobthepanda 2y ago
At the very least, consulting with one or more physicians gives more data points than you would otherwise have. If your goal is to know more, having other opinions is pretty fundamental.
- maeil 2y ago
  Doing a rain dance and concluding that it doesn't help also gives you another data point. Praying as prescribed in 50 different religions a whole lot more data points. And so on. I'm not a nut screaming "It's all a scam, don't participate in modern healthcare!". Just noting that it's complicated, and the idea that going to a physician is always the best option should receive more scrutiny, because it's not black and white.

by maeil 2y ago

That's not clear cut. There clearly exist plenty of combinations of "situation + physician" where this is not the best thing to do. To claim otherwise may as well be religious dogma.

phoronixrly 2y ago

I'm sorry, but how is trusting a person who dedicated 10+ years of their life studying/practicing this, and relying on rigorous safety and effectiveness research of drugs religious dogma? Are you sure you know what religion is? Are you sure you know what science is? Are you just trolling?

beagle3 2y ago
If you actually read the effectiveness and safety research with a critical eye, you would realize “rigorous” is often the wrong adjective, whereas “cherry picked” to the point of “fraudulent” is often more in line with reality. Case in point: 50,000 people died, with about 5 times as many suffering life-changing serious adverse events, from “rigorous research” on the safety of Vioxx. Yes, it has since been pulled from the market, which FDA apologists often construe as “system working as designed”. No, it isn’t, even in the least, when you go into the details. Also: Purdue and OxyContin. Regulatory capture of the FDA is decades old at this point. Ignoring that is not a rational or healthy position.
farts_mckensy 2y ago
I don't know, why don't we ask my colon? Oh, wait, we can't. I was prescribed accutane, subsequently got ulcerative colitis so bad that they had to remove the organ entirely. The surgeon said my colon was literally falling apart in his hands as he took it out. Blind deference to authority of doctors lead to this situation. They do not always make great decisions, especially if there is a financial incentive for them to do otherwise.
maeil 2y ago
I'm not trolling, see my reply elsewhere. Do you not know anyone who has spent many years of their life doing something and are still rather poor at it? You probably do. You may even have such a skill yourself - I certainly do!

bobthepanda 2y ago

At the very least, consulting with one or more physicians gives more data points than you would otherwise have. If your goal is to know more, having other opinions is pretty fundamental.

maeil 2y ago
Doing a rain dance and concluding that it doesn't help also gives you another data point. Praying as prescribed in 50 different religions a whole lot more data points. And so on. I'm not a nut screaming "It's all a scam, don't participate in modern healthcare!". Just noting that it's complicated, and the idea that going to a physician is always the best option should receive more scrutiny, because it's not black and white.