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Because your metabolism changes. If you ate 700 calories per day it would be harder for you to lose weight than if you ate 1400 and worked out. You’d still be

by borski 2y ago

Because your metabolism changes. If you ate 700 calories per day it would be harder for you to lose weight than if you ate 1400 and worked out. You’d still be eating less, but retaining more weight. Why? Because your metabolism slows down significantly if you don’t fuel it, and that makes it harder to lose weight, not easier. Most things in life are not binary, and are affected by more than just a single choice.

artursapek 2y ago
Yeah. So that's why working out is the solution lol. How is this controversial?
- borski 2y ago
  Because working out, alone, is not the solution. You could work out all day and still not lose a pound. Plenty of studies have shown this. Moreover, have you ever tried to work out at 450 lbs? No? It is an immense effort, often literally impossible for most people at that weight, and the best they can manage is a walk around the block before their cardio can’t keep up. What then? See above, where I reminded people (which includes you) that things are rarely binary.
  - artursapek 2y ago
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    - borski 2y ago
      Cool. Let me know if you figure out a solution. Otherwise, perhaps let people get healthy instead of admonishing them to get healthy the way you think they should, which turns out to be… the same way they have always tried and has not worked.
      - artursapek 2y ago
        Bringing up mortally obese 450lb people (a tiny fraction of the population) is not a good faith argument against my position that it's a travesty Ozempic and other "weight loss drugs" are being prescribed to people en masse when most of them actually are very capable of just eating more healthy diets and exercising more. What we actually need to do is un-fuck our food supply and encourage healthier lifestyles... not give big pharma yet another chokehold over the population.
        borski 2y ago
        Fine. I was 265. Not morbidly obese, just obese. The rest of my argument still holds if you change that. Your contention of “most of them actually are very capable of just eating more healthy diets and exercising more” is a nonsensical assumption, based on no data, and a prejudiced assumption that they are lazy and haven’t tried, ever. > What we actually need to do is un-fuck our food supply and encourage healthier lifestyles... Great. We should do that. I completely agree. It will definitely help our kids. That won’t help anyone get healthy in this lifetime. It takes too long. Obesity would kill you first. But you’re right, that’s probably better than taking a medication that is clearly helping people change their habits and get healthy, because you feel it would be better if they didn’t have the problem in the first place. Nicotine gum and patches help curb smoking and change people’s habits. Why? Why not just force everyone to quit cold turkey, like my dad did? Should we just change the way we talk about smoking and produce fewer cigarettes? Sure. But nicotine patches and gums saved lives and helped people quit that had never been able to before them, and not for a lack of trying. GLP-1 meds are an aid. The alternative isn’t fixing the food supply, but dying from obesity.
        artursapek 2y ago
        Cool, I hope you are on your way to a healthier weight. I can see why medication could help in the short-term for someone who has dug a deep hole. My reaction of disgust is towards the premise of "how long until we're all on Ozempic?" and the current state of affairs, where far too many people in the US are being medicated for that and various other things.

by borski 2y ago

artursapek 2y ago

Yeah. So that's why working out is the solution lol. How is this controversial?

borski 2y ago
Because working out, alone, is not the solution. You could work out all day and still not lose a pound. Plenty of studies have shown this. Moreover, have you ever tried to work out at 450 lbs? No? It is an immense effort, often literally impossible for most people at that weight, and the best they can manage is a walk around the block before their cardio can’t keep up. What then? See above, where I reminded people (which includes you) that things are rarely binary.
- artursapek 2y ago
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  - borski 2y ago
    Cool. Let me know if you figure out a solution. Otherwise, perhaps let people get healthy instead of admonishing them to get healthy the way you think they should, which turns out to be… the same way they have always tried and has not worked.
    - artursapek 2y ago
      Bringing up mortally obese 450lb people (a tiny fraction of the population) is not a good faith argument against my position that it's a travesty Ozempic and other "weight loss drugs" are being prescribed to people en masse when most of them actually are very capable of just eating more healthy diets and exercising more. What we actually need to do is un-fuck our food supply and encourage healthier lifestyles... not give big pharma yet another chokehold over the population.
      - borski 2y ago
        Fine. I was 265. Not morbidly obese, just obese. The rest of my argument still holds if you change that. Your contention of “most of them actually are very capable of just eating more healthy diets and exercising more” is a nonsensical assumption, based on no data, and a prejudiced assumption that they are lazy and haven’t tried, ever. > What we actually need to do is un-fuck our food supply and encourage healthier lifestyles... Great. We should do that. I completely agree. It will definitely help our kids. That won’t help anyone get healthy in this lifetime. It takes too long. Obesity would kill you first. But you’re right, that’s probably better than taking a medication that is clearly helping people change their habits and get healthy, because you feel it would be better if they didn’t have the problem in the first place. Nicotine gum and patches help curb smoking and change people’s habits. Why? Why not just force everyone to quit cold turkey, like my dad did? Should we just change the way we talk about smoking and produce fewer cigarettes? Sure. But nicotine patches and gums saved lives and helped people quit that had never been able to before them, and not for a lack of trying. GLP-1 meds are an aid. The alternative isn’t fixing the food supply, but dying from obesity.
        artursapek 2y ago
        Cool, I hope you are on your way to a healthier weight. I can see why medication could help in the short-term for someone who has dug a deep hole. My reaction of disgust is towards the premise of "how long until we're all on Ozempic?" and the current state of affairs, where far too many people in the US are being medicated for that and various other things.